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  1. Han_man

    Han_man Aug 17, 2018

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    Hello,

    By way of intro, I've just joined the forum, having owned a Seamaster Professional GMT for several years as my every day watch (basically the only watch I use). I'm now keen to start looking more deeply into the world of vintage watches so would appreciate some advice on a possible purchase of a vintage Omega to use as a dress watch for occasional wear.

    I've been looking around loads online, and keep getting drawn back to this style (as per the photos) of a clean white face with second hand subdial, and from my position of relative ignorance this one seems pretty good but would appreciate the expertise of this forum on the matter.

    The summary from the seller's website (Parkers, a jeweller and "pre-owned and vintage watch specialist" in the UK, if anyone has experience with them?) is as follows, with some pics from the website included (although none of the workings unfortunately).
    Model: 2619
    Age: Circa 1947
    Case: 18k rose gold
    Case Size: 36.5mm
    Bracelet: Leather (not Omega), Omega buckle
    Dial: Silver, rose gold batons and numbers
    Movement: Hand-wind mechanical, cal 265
    Case Condition: Excellent with minor age related marks
    Dial Condition Excellent with very minor marks
    Glass Condition Excellent
    Movement Condition Full working order

    I've checked with the seller who has said the dial and hands are original, but crown is a replacement (although is Omega) and keeps time to around +/- 10 secs per day. I saw on @gatorcpa 's sticky of calibers the 265 is dated from 1949 (although this is advertised as circa 1947, so probably no real intent to mislead on a couple of years out I guess).

    Advertised price is £1,750, which from what I've seen from online research seems to be in the ballpark. However, any thoughts from the forum on the authenticity of this watch as best you can give it from the info I have, price, or general thoughts on this calibre and age would be gratefully received.

    Thanks
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  2. Dan S

    Dan S Aug 17, 2018

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    The dial looks funny without minute markers. Do you think they’ve been removed or have you found other 2619 examples like this?
     
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  3. NT931

    NT931 Aug 17, 2018

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    I visited the Parkers website to check this out.
    https://parkersjewellers.co.uk/shop/omega-vintage-oversize-18k-gold-mechanical/

    1. I'd ask for a movement & caseback picture, there are none on the website.
    2. The crown looks like YG while the case is RG.
    3. A redial perhaps? The 30 sec marker in the seconds subdial looks misaligned to the 6 o'clock marker, but maybe it's the angle. Ask for a pic directly from front?
     
  4. Vitezi

    Vitezi Aug 17, 2018

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    The dial looks funny with SWISS MADE nearly at the 4 and 7 hour markers. Do you think that is correct, or have you found other 2619 examples like this?
     
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  5. Han_man

    Han_man Aug 17, 2018

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    Thanks Dan S, good spot which I confessed I hadn't thought through. I've found one other example online but you're right, most seem to have the minute markers. Not sure if the lack of minute markers is simply a variant, they've been removed (why?) or indicative of a redial? From my inexpert point of view, but based on what I've seen online, the face is in pretty good nick for a watch of this age which arouses a bit of suspicion.
     
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  6. mac_omega

    mac_omega Aug 17, 2018

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    too good to be true...

    IMO it is a pimped up watch (dealer´s watch) with a re-dial

    Never saw a dial of that era without any circular guiloche in the sub-dial and missing minute markers

    and to add: 36,5 mm is not an oversized watch in my books
     
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  7. Vitezi

    Vitezi Aug 17, 2018

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    Well done :thumbsup:
    Now that you know some of the more obvious indicators of a redial, namely...

    1. The dial looks funny without minute markers
    2. The dial looks funny with SWISS MADE nearly at the 4 and 7 hour markers
    3. Never saw a dial of that era without any circular guiloche in the sub-dial and missing minute markers
    4. The 30 sec marker in the seconds subdial looks misaligned to the 6 o'clock marker

    ...you should stop and take a few moments to read these threads:
    https://omegaforums.net/threads/learn-how-to-fish.52603/
    https://omegaforums.net/threads/condition-condition-condition-and-other-pieces-of-advice.1716/
    https://omegaforums.net/threads/for-the-new-members-read.23288/

    Then spend time soaking up the free knowledge on the Vintage Omega forums about other indicators of a redial, and what collectors look for in a vintage watch.
     
  8. Han_man

    Han_man Aug 17, 2018

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    Thanks all for the feedback, and @Vitezi , will go through those threads and continue my sponge like journey through the forum soaking up knowledge. Appreciate you all taking the time to provide me with some newbie coaching and guidance - pretty basic now you've pointed it out but helping my knowledge of what to look for a heck of a lot.
     
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