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·I wondered the same thing. The comments are totally off the wall.
Advice on Minerva Chronograph Valjoux 22
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·how much is it actually being offered?
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·ok. let me share if you havent got the watch yet. i hope the seller will not increase the price. that watch carries a well known brand and a 1940s mono rattrapante caliber. Val22 (almost the same as valjoux84) is a historical movement for split second mechamism. so, i dont put value so much on the chrome case. good luck.
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·The seller told me that this caliber is the same that Patek used for the 533, of course Patek made some modifications on the caliber
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·It is possible that patek has used that machinery as a base. They could inform me where I would like to buy it if you are not going to buy it. Thank you
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·It is possible that patek has used that machinery as a base. They could inform me where I would like to buy it if you are not going to buy it. Thank you
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·The seller told me that this caliber is the same that Patek used for the 533, of course Patek made some modifications on the caliber
split second mechanism (mono rattrapante) has been invented by bovet in 1936 and used as based mechanism by all other brands including patek, rolex (pow).
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·I will let you know, I just want to make sure about the watch before I take a decision
how much is the seller actually asking for that watch? sorry for being inquisitive. 😁
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·What an odd thread.
To me, this is an uninteresting piece and unless the asking price was low I'd stay away. A chrome plated val. 22 chronograph with a worn dial isn't high on the wish list for many collectors, even with a well-known name on that dial. @durri70 - what is the asking price? @Vintagespecial - where do you get your €2600 estimate from? You say that "You can see the price in chrono 24", so could you link to it? I don't see it advertised...
To me, this is an uninteresting piece and unless the asking price was low I'd stay away. A chrome plated val. 22 chronograph with a worn dial isn't high on the wish list for many collectors, even with a well-known name on that dial. @durri70 - what is the asking price? @Vintagespecial - where do you get your €2600 estimate from? You say that "You can see the price in chrono 24", so could you link to it? I don't see it advertised...
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·What an odd thread.
To me, this is an uninteresting piece and unless the asking price was low I'd stay away. A chrome plated val. 22 chronograph with a worn dial isn't high on the wish list for many collectors, even with a well-known name on that dial. @durri70 - what is the asking price? @Vintagespecial - where do you get your €2600 estimate from? You say that "You can see the price in chrono 24", so could you link to it? I don't see it advertised...
Good morning. I made the average of the different chronos minerva of chronl 24. Everyone makes too much attention to the steel box I do not understand why ... The chrome is part of the vintage watches and has its charm. It is as if you buy a castle and you want me to try steel beams but it is not like that they are made of wood. And nowadays everything can be repaired without problem. I see the sphere well not excellent but good. And well we are going to value and to put an exact price that tells us how much the seller asks or how much can be paid for this piece of history of the watchmaking of the XX place.
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·is part of the vintage telojes and has its charm.
Funny, most Dutch people I know are fairly good at English. Normally they wouldn't use misspelled Spanish words in their posts.
Where was that Minerva for sale, @durri70?
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·Funny, most Dutch people I know are fairly good at English. Normally they wouldn't use misspelled Spanish words in their posts.
Where was that Minerva for sale, @durri70?
I am glad that you have fun I am Venezuelan live in Holland 2 years. But well that is not of your interest. I still use a translator to be able to participate in this interesting forum. If you like watches stop making fun of my mistake and stick to the question I asked. Thanks you.
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·Good morning. I made the average of the different chronos minerva of chronl 24. Everyone makes too much attention to the steel box I do not understand why ... The chrome is part of the vintage watches and has its charm. It is as if you buy a castle and you want me to try steel beams but it is not like that they are made of wood. And nowadays everything can be repaired without problem. I see the sphere well not excellent but good. And well we are going to value and to put an exact price that tells us how much the seller asks or how much can be paid for this piece of history of the watchmaking of the XX place.
This entire post (key points highlighted) shows why you are not qualified to give advice on collectables and the valuation thereof. I'd suggest that you stick around and get a feel of how to properly judge what adds value to a vintage watch.
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·This entire post (key points highlighted) shows why you are not qualified to give advice on collectables and the valuation thereof. I'd suggest that you stick around and get a feel of how to properly judge what adds value to a vintage watch.
I agree that you can have more experience than I do that for sure. But tell me I would like to buy it if the partner does not buy it. So what would be the real price to avoid losing money in the purchase of this watch. Tell me from your point of view. Thank you.
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·I'll humor you @Vintagespecial and explain.
1. Chrome cases: these are the bottom tier of watch cases. The least desirable of all materials and if you were to purchase one, it should be in good condition - this one is not. If you get it restored, which is costly, it is no longer original and value will take a hit.
2. Price evaluation: making an "average of the different chronos" on Chrono24 is as stupid an idea as it sounds. If you have an 1989 Mercedes W124, would you evaluate in the same manner? Probably not. Let's not go into pricing on Chrono24, which has its own problems.
3. "Anything can be repaired": well, no. And even if a given issue could be fixed, the price might make the overall investment into a piece unreasonably high. That is the monetary issues of restoration - the collectability issues are as mention in point 1, that originality suffers greatly.
1. Chrome cases: these are the bottom tier of watch cases. The least desirable of all materials and if you were to purchase one, it should be in good condition - this one is not. If you get it restored, which is costly, it is no longer original and value will take a hit.
2. Price evaluation: making an "average of the different chronos" on Chrono24 is as stupid an idea as it sounds. If you have an 1989 Mercedes W124, would you evaluate in the same manner? Probably not. Let's not go into pricing on Chrono24, which has its own problems.
3. "Anything can be repaired": well, no. And even if a given issue could be fixed, the price might make the overall investment into a piece unreasonably high. That is the monetary issues of restoration - the collectability issues are as mention in point 1, that originality suffers greatly.
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·I'll humor you @Vintagespecial and explain.
1. Chrome cases: these are the bottom tier of watch cases. The least desirable of all materials
and if you were to purchase one, it should be in good condition - this one is not. If you get it restored, which is costly, it is no longer original and value will take a hit.
2. Price evaluation: making an "average of the different chronos" on Chrono24 is as stupid an idea as it sounds. If you have an 1989 Mercedes W124, would you evaluate in the same manner? Probably not. Let's not go into pricing on Chrono24, which has its own problems.
3. "Anything can be repaired": well, no. And even if a given issue could be fixed, the price might make the overall investment into a piece unreasonably high. That is the monetary issues of restoration - the collectability issues are as mention in point 1, that originality suffers greatly.
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·In agreement. Then I could say the price of that watch so as not to lose money. I expect an answer from your point of view and your experience. Thanks again
You expect? I owe you nothing.
I wouldn't buy it at all. Why would I? I am not in this hobby to buy watches and resell them for profit either as whole watches or as parts. I wouldn't encourage others to purchase it either, least of all someone who is new to this.
You mentioned earlier that you'd be interested in a similar watch at €500-1000 - let's just say that we wouldn't be competitors for that piece 😉
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·You expect? I owe you nothing.
I wouldn't buy it at all. Why would I? I am not in this hobby to buy watches and resell them for profit either as whole watches or as parts. I wouldn't encourage others to purchase it either, least of all someone who is new to this.
You mentioned earlier that you'd be interested in a similar watch at €500-1000 - let's just say that we wouldn't be competitors for that piece 😉
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·i believed so too in that price range. knowing that the brand is now owned by montblanc, so it has a name with a well meaning history. i bought my mono rattrapante 15yrs ago at $500. but it has appreciated in value quite a lot already and could hardly let it go.😉
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