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  1. bmmcguir14 Feb 8, 2016

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    I was really hoping to solicit some opinions on this one. I only included pictures of the dial and movement, as everything else looks good. Lume is very dark, and the seconds subdial might have a little damage. What do people think?

    Case is unpolished and the lugs look sharp. The crystal is very scratched but that isn't a big problem. Seller says that the chrono hour hand sticks at zero for a period of time after starting it. This does concern me. I was thinking of bidding somewhere between "running" and "good" pricing on the speedmaster101 chart, with the movement being the great unknown.
     
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  2. Dgercp Feb 8, 2016

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    The narrow spaced T's suggest a 105.012 and raises concern. Is the bezel DON?
    A caseback pic and serial number would help, I just can't read it from the photo.
     
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  3. abrod520 Feb 8, 2016

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    Bezel is DON, and in decent condition - that mark by 160 is the only one. What I want to know is where the 1039/516 bracelet that was shown in the original listing has gone.... I may have made an offer for this one and would be pissed if that weren't included :whipped:
     
  4. LawBrk Feb 8, 2016

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    We all know how much you love the 1039 @abrod520 ! It's growing on me as I wear mine, so what is the consensus for the ref of this one? The dial/hands point towards 105.012 but the pushers don't look (to me) to be the thin.
     
  5. abrod520 Feb 8, 2016

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    Haha you're right, I've been running my mouth about the 1039 a lot lately :) (though it's been coming up in discussion). But it's a real value-add on this one, which is why I made a fair-to-high offer.

    The watch is a 145.012-67 according to the caseback, serial number could go either way (24M).

    The dial with the narrow-spaced Ts does look like it's meant for a 105 but I'm unsure about the hands - were there major differences between handsets on the 105.012 and 145.012? (Might be time for me to pony up for a copy of MWO...)

    It also has its original narrow-foot crown, which is another passion point for me on these old watches ;)

    Overall this isn't a bad watch (assuming you can have the 321 serviced) but the seller seems to want a bit too much money for it.
     
  6. Davidt Feb 8, 2016

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    It's hard to give an opinion based on two pics. From what i can see, the case doesn't look unpolished at all.

    Need proper pics to offer any real advice.
     
  7. Dgercp Feb 8, 2016

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    I think hands basically the same except 145 can have drop or squared off chrono hand bottom.
     
  8. LawBrk Feb 8, 2016

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    My copy of MWO is on its was in the post, but it's coming from "New Joisey". So I'm expecting it will show up in a month or two. Otherwise I'm not sure if there is a serial range where drop chronos are seen, with the dial being close and the pushers being wrong and the hands being maybe suspect. Look at this one with close scrutiny....:cautious:
     
  9. Spacefruit Prolific Speedmaster Hoarder Feb 8, 2016

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    You have only included a small part of the watch, and to judge a watch properly I need the whole thing.

    There are things going on here that already make me wary -

    The dial is close spaced T's so not correct in a 145.012
    The drop chrono looks like a dirty superluminova, and so now I want to check all the hands - do they glow too much?
    The dial has a funny look to it - I think it might have been cleaned, or wiped or something - or it could be the photos.
    The movement is not unknown at all! It needs a full service by the sellers own admission. When a 321 exhibits any erratic behavior thats what it needs - unless it has just had a proper service - sometimes they need to be re-adjusted in my experience.
    What are those end links? I think they are unsigned. Therefore added by a seller wanting to maximize the price, which makes me wonder, what else has he added?

    The big scary thing is the presence of a 105.012 dial in 145.012 case.

    Its an assembly of some kind.

    Ironically there are those here that are in desperate need of a 105.012 dial that should buy it and swap the dials!
     
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  10. bmmcguir14 Feb 8, 2016

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    Holy crap, I didn't even notice the close spaced T's! Caseback definitely indicates 145.012, so yeah maybe this is some sort of frankenwatch. I'm glad I came here first before bidding. I can dump the rest of the pics here later.
     
  11. Spacefruit Prolific Speedmaster Hoarder Feb 8, 2016

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    Or a link?
     
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  13. Spacefruit Prolific Speedmaster Hoarder Feb 8, 2016

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    Interesting
    Its serial is very early - is it possible that Omega fitted the previous spec dial because it had them?
    While plausible, I feel not.
    The hands glow in a way that I do not think the originals would.
    I dont recall seeing any 145.012 with a close spaced T marking.
    Is it a buy? well I think it is a tad expensive.
    The case looks nice, perhaps refinished but very well done.
    The dial? That stops me. I would not buy this if it were my "Once n a lifetime" purchase.
    Rather if I had a 105.012 with the wrong dial I would buy it and service it, changing the dial and fitting aged hands.
    Seems too much money for all that work.
     
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  14. bmmcguir14 Feb 8, 2016

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    879731433_o.jpg Thanks for all the advice everyone. In regards to the case condition, what do other people look for to determine if it has been polished? I've just been using a picture like the one below to see that the top and sides have a proper brushed finish, and the edge that separates brushed and mirrored is sharp. What else should I be looking for?
     
  15. LawBrk Feb 8, 2016

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    One would expect that a watch in its 50s to have some age spots. The surface to show that it has been "living" for all those years either in a sock drawer or on a wrist from time to time. The above example is very "tidy" in terms of patina, hence the suspicion of a refinish (although nicely done).
     
  16. Optimizer13 Feb 8, 2016

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    I agree that there something fishy about the dial...kinda looks like an "oven" failure (tropical attempt)...
     
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  17. bmmcguir14 Feb 9, 2016

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    Could this be an older service dial? Spacefruit mentioned narrow spaced T service dials used at some point, although I don't know if these all had painted logos. Anyway, just a thought...

    http://speedmaster101.com/blog/calibre-321-service-dials/
    "They can easily be spotted as they are tritium, some with T marks of wide spacing, some of narrow (similar to early 105.012’s) and with painted logo dials instead of applied metal logos."
     
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  18. bmmcguir14 Feb 11, 2016

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  19. abrod520 Feb 11, 2016

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    Good catch! Though when I saw that listing a little while ago, I was wondering about the dial lume... It's not dissimilar to mine but still makes me wonder a little bit. Also, is the serial close to the original-posted one?
     
  20. bmmcguir14 Feb 11, 2016

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    Ehhh, not really. 26.0M for this one vs. 24.9M for the one at the very top. But still, it's got me wondering.

    I thought the lume looked a little too good as well, but it does seem to stay within the markers unlike some of the obvious relumes posted here recently.