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A Universal Geneve and a.... Berthoud? Two Old School Chronographs.

  1. Modest_Proposal Trying too hard to be one of the cool kids Mar 20, 2014

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  2. LouS Mrs Nataf's Other Son Staff Member Mar 20, 2014

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    Correct. According to Sala, Louis Berthoud was the third principal in the Universal watch company, becoming Ulysse Perret's partner after the death of NUma Descombes in 1897, and "Perret & Berthoud" became the holder of all Universal patents, and ultimately became Universal Geneve. It's not clear (to me anyway) why Berthoud was used as a brand name in parallel with Universal - different market segments perhaps - like Omega and Tissot?

    the watch looks perfectly authentic to me, although I can't say I've studies enough Berthoud dials to be certain that it is original.

    now, about that small Universal - is that a cut-out dial, or does it just look like one?
     
  3. Modest_Proposal Trying too hard to be one of the cool kids Mar 21, 2014

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    Can you define the term "cut-out" for me? I'm afraid I can't define it.
     
  4. citizenrich Metal Mixer! Mar 21, 2014

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    Assuming it's the same as pocket watch terminology (why wouldn't it be?), a cut-out dial or "double sunk" is a process where (3) separate disks are soldered together for the sub dials. i

    the process was reserved for more expensive watches because it was very labor intensive requiring lots of hand work (grounding and polishing).

    or, I could be wrong. Hahaha
     
  5. Modest_Proposal Trying too hard to be one of the cool kids Mar 21, 2014

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    These may help answer that question:
     
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  6. LouS Mrs Nataf's Other Son Staff Member Mar 22, 2014

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    Actually, I was using the term - perhaps incorrectly - to refer to a dial with holes in it to show the underdial, aka "sandwich dial" like so

    [​IMG]

    It's a current enthusiasm of mine...