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A gold ladies piece. Help with reference required please.

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Evening all,

I don't suppose anyone recognises this vintage ladies piece please? I think it's 18k?? I know no other details.

Admittedly the photos I quickly took are horrible, but that's all I have for now. Sorry!!

I'm thinking of getting it as a gift.

Thank you

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Any photos of hallmarks?
Probably easiest way to tell other than take it to a jewelers for testing
 
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Apparently a gold ladies' cocktail watch with a repainted dial. If it's truly gold, then it's probably not entirely fake.
 
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Any photos of hallmarks?
Probably easiest way to tell other than take it to a jewelers for testing
Nope. But I did look at them when I was there a while ago. I'm going to have another look at it on Friday and open it up.
 
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Apparently a gold ladies' cocktail watch with a repainted dial. If it's truly gold, then it's probably not entirely fake.
Thank you. I'm no good at painted Omega dials. Do you know it's repainted just because it's too clean for its age?? I don't actually know it's age though....

Just remembered that I weighed it. It was 46 grams or thereabouts so quite weighty.
 
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The brushed/sunburst finish and printing don't look good to me. If that is 18k, there's a lot of value in the gold. Mostly the bracelet, obviously.
 
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Thank you. I'm no good at painted Omega dials. Do you know it's repainted just because it's too clean for its age?? I don't actually know it's age though....

Just remembered that I weighed it. It was 46 grams or thereabouts so quite weighty.
The redialing is pretty obvious IMO. The 'swiss made' not being straight was my first clue, though the hour markers not being straight/aligned (particularly 9 and 3) are a dead give away.
 
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The redialing is pretty obvious IMO. The 'swiss made' not being straight was my first clue, though the hour markers not being straight/aligned (particularly 9 and 3) are a dead give away.
Thanks. I'll have a close look with a loupe then, as the slightly domed crystal/plexi is probably creating some distortion too, combined with my crappy pictures.

I'll try and get some better pictures up once I've had another look.
 
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The brushed/sunburst finish and printing don't look good to me. If that is 18k, there's a lot of value in the gold. Mostly the bracelet, obviously.

Noted.

Indeed, it's a heavy thing for it's size. I'm guessing the crystal and movement are only a few grams off the 46 I weighed it at. Although I'd like to think the value of the complete watch is more than it's scrap gold value?? It's actually a really pleasant piece to look at in the flesh.
 
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FWIW, the value of the complete watch is not much more than the scrap gold value. Ladies' cocktail watches are not terribly collectible, and with the repainted dial, the extra value of the movement is negligible. And at the moment, you can get roughly $55 USD/gm of 18k scrap gold. So that watch could be worth an astronomical $1200.
 
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Noted.

Indeed, it's a heavy thing for it's size. I'm guessing the crystal and movement are only a few grams off the 46 I weighed it at. Although I'd like to think the value of the complete watch is more than it's scrap gold value?? It's actually a really pleasant piece to look at in the flesh.
Maybe? I have a tough time thinking that the plexi crystal could make the 'swiss' tail upward, and the 'made' start quite a bit below it. It ALSO looks quite a bit 'penned' in, but I'm not positive.

I checked quite a few of the hour markers with 'the one across from it', and many of them don't seem to point correctly. 3/9 were the ones I saw immediately (the 9 is significantly 'higher', though parallel to 3, and points above the pivot by quite a bit, whereas 3 points below).

So this is very much just "things seem misaligned" to me.
 
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FWIW, the value of the complete watch is not much more than the scrap gold value. Ladies' cocktail watches are not terribly collectible, and with the repainted dial, the extra value of the movement is negligible. And at the moment, you can get roughly $55 USD/gm of 18k scrap gold. So that watch could be worth an astronomical $1200.
I've just weighed a vintage ladies Omega movement at around 3 grams. Plus the crystal. So it'll still be over 40 grams. That's around 2,200 US scrap!!
 
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I've just weighed a vintage ladies Omega movement at around 3 grams. Plus the crystal. So it'll still be over 40 grams. That's around 2,200 US scrap!!
Yes, sorry, I was thinking 26g instead of 46g for some reason. I forgot about the bracelet. You can see why it's not worth much as a watch.
 
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Maybe? I have a tough time thinking that the plexi crystal could make the 'swiss' tail upward, and the 'made' start quite a bit below it. It ALSO looks quite a bit 'penned' in, but I'm not positive.

I checked quite a few of the hour markers with 'the one across from it', and many of them don't seem to point correctly. 3/9 were the ones I saw immediately (the 9 is significantly 'higher', though parallel to 3, and points above the pivot by quite a bit, whereas 3 points below).

So this is very much just "things seem misaligned" to me.
I agree and I'll check this out carefully in a few days time. Thank you very much for your input.
 
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Well, I had another look at this piece today. Unsurprisingly, up close under the loupe, the writing on the dial looked very rough and jagged. Confirmation that it's been messed with. I didn't even bother taking the back off.

Game over!

Thanks for your help everyone
 
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Well, I had another look at this piece today. Unsurprisingly, up close under the loupe, the writing on the dial looked very rough and jagged. Confirmation that it's been messed with. I didn't even bother taking the back off.

Game over!

Thanks for your help everyone
Yeah, I thought so. "OMEGA" looked goofy and inconsistent line thicknesses between the letters, but the 'swiss made' looked particularly bad in the picture.

Were you able to find out if it was gold, or gold-filled? That bracelet is something else if actual gold...
 
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How much were they asking on it just for info?
I'm still working on that!! They refused to believe it was repainted so I didn't get any further.
 
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Yeah, I thought so. "OMEGA" looked goofy and inconsistent line thicknesses between the letters, but the 'swiss made' looked particularly bad in the picture.

Were you able to find out if it was gold, or gold-filled? That bracelet is something else if actual gold...

Actually, I think the plexi had made it look worse on my pictures, as everything was pretty level and straight. But the writing looked like it had been repainted by hand.

The bracelet clasp was hallmarked (750) and the case had a stamp in the side too. Quite worn though. So looking like 750 throughout. I think if the mesh was plated it would have been rubbed through in places. But it was bright gold all over.

I've asked what the best is and haven't heard back yet.
 
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I'm still working on that!! They refused to believe it was repainted so I didn't get any further.
So they haven't even given you a price? That sounds odd
 
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