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A Glut Of 321 Speedmasters

  1. dsio Ω 2

    dsio Ash @ ΩF Staff Member Feb 28, 2013

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  2. TLIGuy Ω 1

    TLIGuy Feb 28, 2013

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    Just saw those three pop up in the last hour. Should be fun to watch what happens with them. The third one looks stellar to my untrained eye.
     
  3. MSNWatch Ω 2

    MSNWatch Vintage Omega Aficionado Staff Member Feb 28, 2013

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    That 105.002 has the wrong dial and the wrong movement.
     
  4. SpikiSpikester Ω 2

    SpikiSpikester @ ΩF Staff Member Feb 28, 2013

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    Mike, I assume you mean the movement should have an 18m or 19m serial no ? But what is the giveaway on the dial ?

    The 105.012's look very decent - it'll be interesting to see what they sell for.
     
  5. cicindela Ω 2

    cicindela Steve @ ΩF Staff Member Feb 28, 2013

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    Tritium
     
  6. MSNWatch Ω 2

    MSNWatch Vintage Omega Aficionado Staff Member Feb 28, 2013

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    Yup, the 105.002 has radium lume not tritium like the watch in question. And the serial is way too high.
     
  7. SpikiSpikester Ω 2

    SpikiSpikester @ ΩF Staff Member Feb 28, 2013

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    Just checked it against the other 105.002 on eBay. No T marks on that one.
     
  8. g-boac

    g-boac Feb 28, 2013

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    So that would be an early 105.003 dial he has on this then, right? The "Omega" lettering is just a bit more compact vertically than it was on later 105.003s (64, 65s), correct?

    The "T SWISS MADE T" spacing is correct for any tritium dial prior to the 145.012s (which I've also seen to appear on the late 105.012-66's), correct?

    cheers,
    Mark
     
  9. MellyVinelli

    MellyVinelli Feb 28, 2013

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    I'm intrigued by the 105.012-66
    But the thing that bothers me about all three of them is the fact that the lume is still lighting up. It doesn't seem plausible for tritium...am I wrong to be concerned? Nice bracelet but it appears to say Q4 of 67. Is that correct?

    Edit: could they possibly be relumed? The color of the markers looks kind of greenish. I could be wrong?
     
  10. pitpro

    pitpro Likes the game. Feb 28, 2013

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    Dim brief glow when charged for certain 1960's dials is normal.
    Same with Rolex Sub's. Whereas 1970's dials are dead, nada.
    Trit mixture was different when first implemented.
     
  11. jwalther

    jwalther Mar 1, 2013

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    My old 65 Speedy.

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  12. SpikiSpikester Ω 2

    SpikiSpikester @ ΩF Staff Member Mar 1, 2013

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    It's not necessarily incorrect. It's not unusual for a watch with a case-back 105.012-66 to have actually been delivered during 1967.
     
  13. MSNWatch Ω 2

    MSNWatch Vintage Omega Aficionado Staff Member Mar 1, 2013

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    In fact pretty common. Seller likely knows the problems with the 105.002 - why else would it have a lower starting price than the other 2 321 speedmasters which are way easier to find (and I'm already taking into account the bracelet).

    The correct 105.002 speedmasters are very uncommon - harder to locate than the 2998s (excluding the -1 and -2 models of course).
     
  14. MellyVinelli

    MellyVinelli Mar 1, 2013

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    It just seems a little strange to me that all three watches have the same patina and bezel condition. Perhaps overreaction? I expect some variation. Some with more creamy brown lighter or darker as I have seen in other examples I have seen on this board.
     
  15. MSNWatch Ω 2

    MSNWatch Vintage Omega Aficionado Staff Member Mar 1, 2013

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    We've already established the fact that at least the 105.002 speedmaster does not have all original parts so the other 2 are suspect. You evaluate each watch as to originality and condition and then make a decision based on price. The key parts of these watches - dials, cases, movements and bezels are not easy to source so it's not like you can just buy and swap them out. Besides, these watches with original bracelets and endlinks have about $3000 in parts there if one decides to take it apart and sell it in pieces.
     
  16. richardew

    richardew Mar 1, 2013

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    Both of my 105.012-66s were made in 1967 per the EOA. The 105.012 has a nice dial, dot over 90 bezel and shows the vertical facets on the lugs that are characteristic of this model. The crown is a modern replacement. The seller must know the 105.002 isn't quite right. His opening bid is $3000, lower than the other 2.