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A cal. 1012 in a chronometer Constellation, is it possible?

  1. Astiegan Mar 13, 2018

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    Hello,

    I just impulsively bought my first Constellation. It was late, I just refreshed my auction site one last time before going to bed and it appeared with what seemed a very fair "buy now" price, so I bought it.

    I recieved it yesterday and it looks amazing! But I checked the movement and started to be skeptical. That's why I come here to ask you about the watch and if it's genuine or not. Mostly because from what I could read, it should have a 1011 if it's chronometer.

    Case number ST 168 0056
    Blue dial with white indexes and hands, date and chronometer certification
    Caliber 1012 without anyting written on the main bridge, serial number 3670XXXX

    Thank you for your help!

    Here are a few pictures:

    IMG_20180312_165514.jpg IMG_20180312_165535.jpg IMG_20180312_165555.jpg IMG_20180312_165607.jpg IMG_20180312_165643.jpg IMG_20180312_165652.jpg IMG_20180312_165701.jpg
     
  2. Peemacgee Purrrr-veyor of luxury cat box loungers Mar 13, 2018

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  3. Astiegan Mar 13, 2018

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    Thanks, yes it confirms that I should have a 1011. What surprises me is the global good condition of the watch. I clearly didn't have been worn much so why replace the movement, and by the wrong one... That's sad!
     
  4. sat968 Mar 13, 2018

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  5. Archer Omega Qualified Watchmaker Mar 13, 2018

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    Should be a 1011.

    Cheers, Al
     
  6. Astiegan Mar 13, 2018

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    Thank you! Do you know if that bridge is original without anything written on it?
     
  7. Shabbaz Mar 13, 2018

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    They came also in a connie... thnx to desmond...
     
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  8. Shabbaz Mar 13, 2018

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    But not in yours...
     
  9. Archer Omega Qualified Watchmaker Mar 13, 2018

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    I don't know what specific bridge you are asking about, so please let me know.
     
  10. momosono Mar 13, 2018

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    This is what you find on Omega's site

    https://www.omegawatches.com/watch-omega-constellation-c-st-168-0056/

    So the movement ought to be a 1011, which is the chronometer implementation wheras the 1012 is the "normal" movement.
    You could ask for an extract of the archives or - and that might be cheaper - a copy of the COSC cerificate to be 100% sure.
     
  11. Astiegan Mar 13, 2018

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    Yes sorry, I'm not sure of it's name but I'm talking about this one:

    IMG_20180312_165701.jpg

    Since usually that's where infos like numer of jewels are written no?
     
  12. sat968 Mar 13, 2018

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    Yes that info is there, but get a loupe and look at the small circular area in a lighter shade of brass that has the word Omega. The caliber should be in there, IIRC.
     
  13. Foo2rama Keeps his worms in a ball instead of a can. Mar 13, 2018

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    Elady on eBay?
     
  14. Maganator Mar 13, 2018

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    I think this is the watch I had my eye on on eBay.

    No movement shots in the advert if I remember correctly. Thought it looked nice but I couldnt recall having seen a blue dial like this before.
     
  15. Astiegan Mar 14, 2018

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    Nope it wasn't on ebay and stayed for sale only a few minutes before I bought it.

    Do you have the link of the one you're talking about?
     
  16. Maganator Mar 14, 2018

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    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/USED-VIN...670814?hash=item2ccda47f5e:g:gMcAAOSwEzxYPZJDPurchases made through these links may earn this site a commission from the eBay Partner Network

    My mistake it does have a movement shot and is being advertised as housing a 1011.
     
  17. momosono Mar 14, 2018

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    You don't need a loupe. Its all there in the OPs own pic (no. 6) where the rotor is on the 9 o'clock side of the watch.
    It says
    Swiss
    Omega
    36702059
    (smudge)12
    So there's two possibilities: either someone at Omega bungled when he or she printed the SN and the calibre.
    Or someone e(x)changed the movement at some time for some reason.
    If you ask for a copy of the COSC certificate, you'll soon find out if this movement was ever tested. And if it wasn't, which unfortunately must be feared, you'll have the certainty that case and movement did not leave the Omega factory together.
     
  18. Archer Omega Qualified Watchmaker Mar 14, 2018

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    If you ask for this you won't get it...
     
  19. momosono Mar 14, 2018

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    And you'll know for sure..
     
  20. Archer Omega Qualified Watchmaker Mar 14, 2018

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    I don't believe Omega will provide a COSC certificate for a 40+ year old watch.

    COSC does not sell them to individuals. From the COSC web site:

    "What information can the buyer of a certified chronometer watch obtain from the COSC ?
    None. The COSC is the repository of analytical results that belong to its customers (the watch brands). It does not have the authority to disclose information to anyone other than the legitimate owners of those results. The buyer should contact the head office of the brand to which the chronometer belongs."

    I doubt there is a way to get this certificate, even if one exists.