dear forum,

I am new at this place and just recently discovered the world of vintage omegas...

I am hunting a 60s 321 caliber and I am not 100%!sure about the originality of the watch.

It's supposed to be a 66/67 145.012, all original, just the dial has been changed. (The original one comes with it, with super nice patina...

My question concerns the bezel: we're ALL of these DO90 (dot over 90) or did they also come with DN90?? This one has a DN90...

What do you guys think?! The seller makes a honest impression, but... Ya know!

Thanks in advance, I appreciate your feedback!!

Felice

 

http://speedmaster101.com/145-012/
http://speedmaster101.com/2016/02/

 

Thanks, that is a great site, I already checked there... He Is 'pretty sure' they were all do90... But that's not enough...

 

I doubt you'll get much more clarification than that!

 

That's what I was afraid of...

 

...any ideas on the age of the bezel and the value of this watch?!

 

Looks 1st and 3rd picture of a new speedy (few years old) ?? And a older dial ??

 

Agree...
If an original 145.012 is what you are looking for, the hunt shall continue...

 

Sorry, 1st and 3rd picture are the same...

It's definitely a caliber 321 from the 60s, serial 24xxx

 

Well its got new dial, hands and bezel.

 

Do you have a pic of the movement to share?

 

100% that is not the original bezel.

 

Yes, a bit dull, but it's worth a try... I'll take a look at the piece tonight, these are pictures I got from the seller...

 

Btw: I have to admit that I am not looking for a perfect and 100% original, as I am not willing to spend 7000€+... This one is supposed to cost a bit under 5K... Including the old dial.

Too much? Or okay?

Thank Tou so much for your help...

 

Thanks!

 

This one raises more questions than not. If I was looking at these pics on the Bay, I would move on.

 

My personal opinion: hands off... at least hands, dial and bezel are not matching.

The dial with supernice patina is also not correct for a 145.012. If you like to make this watch "authentic", you need parts for 2-4.000EUR - depending on condition ;-)

 

Hands are from a Mark II or some other reference, not a moon watch. Bezel is not correct. Neither dial is correct.

If the price is cheap, and you don't mind, go for it. However you may find that these issues wear on you and they could be expensive to fix later. The dial and the bezel are two of the most important visible parts on a vintage speedmaster, and I couldn't live with those hands myself.

 

Hey!

Thanks so much for that. You are so right...this might wear on me later! And what could be considered 'cheap' for this very watch?!

Since 5K is my strong limit, maybe rather search for a superb 145.022...?

 

I am also pretty sure that this table will not collapse as I write.

However I am as sure as I can possibly be, that it will not.

As sure as I am, that all 145.012's came with DO90's.

As to the watch you consider, it is a dogs breakfast.

"Restored" by someone who either did not care, or did not know what is correct for a speedmaster, nor what is valued by most of todays buyers.

When a watch like this is shown to me I immediately worry that the same level and care and understanding has been applied to the rest of the watch. I would like to know the first six digits of the serial to confirm it falls into the correct range, if I were buying.

To make a correct watch we would need to find a bezel, some hands, and check what that dial really is - because it is not an original 145.012 dial, just look at the printed logo and the short indices. I think it is an early service dial.

At least, I am pretty sure....