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  1. micampe Jul 3, 2017

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    When did the copper plating start on 30T2s? This one is serial 10292864 which seems early enough, but in the picture it looks like the plating was removed and the wheels are the wrong color.

    And now that I look at it here I notice that the out of focus screws don’t look very good.

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  2. Gstp Jul 3, 2017

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    Here is one of mine 30t2 - 10 mill range 20170703_080802-01.jpeg
     
  3. UncleBuck understands the decision making hierarchy Jul 3, 2017

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    I'm guessing that copper plating started post-war ('46ish?) as copper was a precious resource until then.
    Regarding screws and such, I think your lighting is casting harsh shadows and with a few rums you'll see that "all is well'!
    It does appear that the beauty pictured has had her bridges brushed, removing the plating (note the copper color of the fonts). I bet her backside might give us a clue!

    *Not the first time I've asked to see a backside.
     
  4. micampe Jul 3, 2017

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    @UncleBuck Backside inside and out. I could be ok with it because they dial is very nice, but the price is a little optimistic.

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  5. UncleBuck understands the decision making hierarchy Jul 3, 2017

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    I meant backside of the bridges, perhaps that's what you meant but the caseback photo's you post makes me think there may be a misunderstanding.

    I mistakenly thought that you owned the watch.
     
  6. micampe Jul 3, 2017

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    no, I don’t own it, was considering acquiring it as consolation for missing on a beautiful Polerouter because I was trigger shy.
     
  7. Fost Jul 4, 2017

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    Are you talking about the ovni I saw yesterday with broad arrow hand?
     
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  8. mac_omega Jul 4, 2017

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    The movement is totally OK as it is shown in the OP

    The copper plating was definitely not stripped!

    There are late movements with nickel plating ...

    And it is totally legit that the inscriptions are copper coloured, they are matching the colour of the countersink.

    There are so many versions of the early 30 mm movements, you will be surprised.


    BTW the movement is in nice condition
     
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  9. UncleBuck understands the decision making hierarchy Jul 4, 2017

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    Aren't the nickel ones usually more shiny?
    What threw me was the appearance of a grain or brush marks on the finish. .....hard to tell with fuzzy photos
     
  10. mac_omega Jul 4, 2017

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    the movement is very shiny

    Yes, there must be a graining/brushing pattern on the surfaces of plates and bridges

    Actually it is a very well preserved watch as far as it can be judged by the not so clear photos

    Be aware that there is a significant overlap in movement serial numbers between nickel and copper coloured movements
     
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  11. gatorcpa ΩF InvestiGator Staff Member Jul 4, 2017

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  12. alam Jul 4, 2017

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    I have to say that ^^^ was not the most elegant way/ring design to keep a movement in place... :eek:
     
  13. mac_omega Jul 4, 2017

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    I thought it was a rose-gold plating - it is called so in all the literature I have read so far, including the book of Anton Kreuzer, AJTT and a specific essay in Klassik Uhren about cal. 30 and chronometers...
     
  14. mac_omega Jul 4, 2017

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    Have you ever dismantled a watch with this spacer?
    It may not look elegant but it works very fine as it holds the movement in place perfectly.
     
  15. micampe Jul 4, 2017

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    No, it had regular dauphine hands, cal 218-9 with very nice dial and case at a very honest price :(
     
  16. micampe Jul 4, 2017

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    Thank you @mac_omega and @gatorcpa, very helpful. I had read Franco’s articles but I didn’t remember the part on the early ones, thanks for the reminder.
     
  17. gatorcpa ΩF InvestiGator Staff Member Jul 4, 2017

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    This should answer the question.

    http://members.iinet.net.au/~fotoplot/rgold/rgold.html

    "Rose-gold" probably refers to the color of the alloy. However, I cannot read German and will rely on you for that part.

    gatorcpa
     
  18. alam Jul 4, 2017

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    nope! that's the reason watchmakers came to existence! :p
     
  19. mac_omega Jul 4, 2017

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    Thank you for the link. I try to improve my knowledge when ever I can.
    It is very interesting but they state it is a tentative result about the alloy - do you know any newer source than 2001?

    Concerning the commonly used expression rosegold plated: You may be right, most probably it refers to the colour and not to the content of gold - sounds logic...
     
  20. gatorcpa ΩF InvestiGator Staff Member Jul 4, 2017

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    I'm afraid I don't know of any newer metallurgical studies.

    Given that parts for these watches are getting scarcer every day, I don't think it would be a good idea to start destroying parts to update this.
    gatorcpa