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  1. dsio Ash @ ΩF Staff Member Aug 19, 2012

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    Thinking I need to at some point pick up a manual wind sub-second Omega with a 30T2 RG movement, something really clean, ideally with one of those roman numeral dials, just wondering what are the best options of the 30T2 watches?

    I've heard some really good things about these movements, their accuracy and in particular that they're among the smoothest winding of movements and have a really nice feel to them.

    I particularly like the idea of the RG variants for their level of decoration even though from Desmond's blog it sounds like the RG regulator doesn't really provide much benefit in and of itself

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  2. cicindela Steve @ ΩF Staff Member Aug 19, 2012

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    Very good thinking :D Ain't going to be cheap, especially and RG with a nice dial. Nothing wrong in picking up a nice 260something in the mean time. Not a chronometer, but no slouch either.
    Watches like the 266 and 283 I recently posted are variants of this 30T2 family.
     
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  3. dsio Ash @ ΩF Staff Member Aug 19, 2012

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    I'd rather go for just one and choose the pick of the litter, just not sure what's /in/ the litter yet lol
     
  4. alam Aug 19, 2012

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    Great looking pieces - above are my favorites. What year are these from? Definition of RG?
     
  5. dsio Ash @ ΩF Staff Member Aug 19, 2012

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    There's some mention here: http://users.tpg.com.au/mondodec//Omega_Constellation_Gene_Pool.pdf

    Fine regulator version, think they come with a higher level of finishing and decoration which seems more relevant than the regulator to the quality of the movement
     
  6. hoipolloi Vintage Omega Connoisseur Aug 19, 2012

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    Dials on all of the above are not original , some of them are called service dial, replacement dials etc....be careful when you decide to buy one.
     
  7. MSNWatch Vintage Omega Aficionado Staff Member Aug 19, 2012

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    Not true - the limited edition homage pieces - I own one and it is pictured above have original dials and they came from the factory in that case and with that movement. And watch #72 in the picture also has an original dial - this is the watch in the omega museum that was presented to Martin Lodenius who was omega's best general agent of the time. It was purchased back by omega from his son and currently is displayed in the omega museum.
     
  8. dsio Ash @ ΩF Staff Member Aug 19, 2012

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    Oddly enough I'm not as bothered with the dial on one of these being original as I would be on a Constellation, as long as it had a really good condition 30T2 RG, a mint or close to it case, I'd be ok with one of the homage dials given how good they look as I'm after it as a wearing piece rather than purely a collectible.
     
  9. hoipolloi Vintage Omega Connoisseur Aug 19, 2012

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    Mike.:D

    Yours is not a RG and I thought that blurry watch was on a wall paper for taking pictures, sorry !!!
     
  10. MSNWatch Vintage Omega Aficionado Staff Member Aug 19, 2012

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    Lots of people when they see that Lodenius watch assume it is a replacement dial but when you look closely it is a mint all original example.
     
  11. hoipolloi Vintage Omega Connoisseur Aug 19, 2012

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    Is there a Swiss Made on that dial ?

    Please help (a bit too old to be sure!!!)
     
  12. MSNWatch Vintage Omega Aficionado Staff Member Aug 19, 2012

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    Yes it does have swiss made - but the provenance in this case is unbroken - presented by omega to Lodenius (the only watch produced by omega to have the same serial number in the movement and the inner caseback - 10,000,001) and sold back to omega by his son still in its original box. I have also seen other original RGs with swiss made on the dial so this is not the only one.

     
  13. hoipolloi Vintage Omega Connoisseur Aug 19, 2012

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    Your Rg's and all of mine dont' have Swiss Made, this scientific dial doesn't, either.

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    Anybody has a closeup on that dial ? Please.....
     
  14. kyle L Grasshopper Staff Member Aug 19, 2012

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    Just a question - how much is the price difference between an all original 18k and an all original 14k?
     
  15. dsio Ash @ ΩF Staff Member Aug 19, 2012

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    I've always wondered that, interestingly I think I'd have no preference between the two, or almost prefer 14K for its strength over 18K, I can't tell the colour difference by eye unless I've checked the hallmark
     
  16. N2FHL Omega Qualified Watchmaker Aug 19, 2012

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    I certainly can't. The only thing for sure is the gold content. After that they put all different metals in to change the color- nickel, silver, zinc, copper and recently some more exotic stuff. Even the formula and gold content has changed over the years.
    Steve
     
  17. adam78 Adam @ ΩF Staff Member Aug 20, 2012

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    The thing about "SWISS MADE" in this era is that some original dials were not marked thusly; I have a couple 30T2s (not RG) and they otherwise seem very much original.

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  18. ulackfocus Aug 20, 2012

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    I've heard that the watches made and sold in Switzerland, or even all of Europe, did not have SWISS MADE on the dial back then. Can't remember who told me but it was somebody who's information I trust.
     
  19. MSNWatch Vintage Omega Aficionado Staff Member Aug 20, 2012

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    The majority of dials from omega wristwatches from that era - late 30s to mid 40s did not have swiss or swiss made done but some did. The use of this was not a creation of the mid 1900s - in fact it was commonly used in omega pocket watches in the early 1900s. Here is an omega PW from my collection which has a 21 jewel chronometre movement:

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