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  1. efauser I ♥ karma!!! Jan 23, 2016

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    I came across this while surfing the web. The listing states it has a cal. 490 but the crown looks like the crowns on 501 movements. The case is a Janell FX 6282, which doesn't look like the cases in this piece written by Desmond, with contribution by gatorcpa:
    http://www.omega-fanatic.com/pages/omega-info/globemaster.php
    I'm wondering if this is a franken? The dial is supposed to be in original condition but some of the paint looks too good. Based on my research, some things look good and some don't.
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  2. kyle L Grasshopper Staff Member Jan 23, 2016

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    Looks good. Mine is also a Jonnel case but with a 501.

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  3. peatnick Jan 23, 2016

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    Doesn't the article say Norman Morris made "frankens" originally? Crown may have been a service replacement ??? Let us know if you go for it "
     
  4. efauser I ♥ karma!!! Jan 23, 2016

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    I think it's a little high at $1200 euro. Being a Norman Morris, I don't think it's as desireable as the seller thinks. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
     
  5. cicindela Steve @ ΩF Staff Member Jan 23, 2016

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    An Omega in the US was, at that time, anything that Norman Morris made and sold, might be a bastard, but still an Omega and technically not a franken

    The Globmasters above may not be as desirable as the "stared" Globmasters, but not because of being of the Norman Morris era. Remember, Norman Morris was Omega
     
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  6. gatorcpa ΩF InvestiGator Staff Member Jan 23, 2016

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    Not only do I believe that watch is legit, it's one of the nicest examples you can find. Original black dials on these are rather rare.
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  7. efauser I ♥ karma!!! Jan 23, 2016

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    So $1200 isn't too much?
     
  8. Joe K. Curious about this text thingy below his avatar Jan 23, 2016

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    The G in the Globemaster is crossing into the A in Automatic, isn;t it a bit to close compared to other examples?
    Also the center wheel is likely from a center seconds movement, look at the hole.
     
  9. oddboy Zero to Grail+2998 In Six Months Jan 23, 2016

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  10. efauser I ♥ karma!!! Jan 23, 2016

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  11. kyle L Grasshopper Staff Member Jan 23, 2016

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    Not sure about the center wheel but the dial does look correct to me. The script would be very hard to reproduce and they are also stamped close in that other thread.
     
  12. efauser I ♥ karma!!! Jan 23, 2016

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    If you look at the photo from the side angle, the hole isn't there. It looks like a reflection.
     
  13. Joe K. Curious about this text thingy below his avatar Jan 23, 2016

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    Sorry, but this does not look like a reflection.

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  14. efauser I ♥ karma!!! Jan 23, 2016

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    Doesn't look like a hole to me, in this photo. Hell, I could be wrong.
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  15. Joe K. Curious about this text thingy below his avatar Jan 23, 2016

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    That might actually be a reflection. I think the hole is pretty obvious in the frontal picture. I would ask for more pictures just to be sure.

     
  16. efauser I ♥ karma!!! Jan 23, 2016

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    Here are a few more photos. I say reflection from the camera lens.
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  17. cicindela Steve @ ΩF Staff Member Jan 23, 2016

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    I think the "hole" may represent the lack of a reflection. No light is hiting the metal so it is dark and looks like a hole
     
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  18. efauser I ♥ karma!!! Jan 23, 2016

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    I guess that settles it. I would like to, once again, thank the enablers.
     
  19. gatorcpa ΩF InvestiGator Staff Member Jan 24, 2016

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    I think that there is an important lesson in this thread. It's something that's said a lot, but is rarely acknowledged.

    It is very difficult for anyone to tell whether vintage watches are all original or not from pictures on the internet. One really needs to see the piece in person.

    There are several experienced collectors here and we still can't come to a consensus regarding this watch.

    Even if we did, that doesn't make us right.
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  20. cicindela Steve @ ΩF Staff Member Jan 24, 2016

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    One point to cover here. In covering print on dials there is often discussion about non-matching print: size discrepancies, font differences, color, firmness of print etc. Many times these differences can point to refinished dials. BUT, many times they don't. Please realize the printing of dials is not always as simple as people think. Dials were often printed in stages. Some script was added in separate printing operations. Alignment could sometimes be off. Different fonts were added. Sometimes changes were made months or even years latter. Dials were not wasted if they could be applied to a new project. It can be very difficult at times to assess these dials for those reasons. As Gator indicated, legitimate changes and additions and be difficult to assess when the piece is not in your hand or in many case under a microscope. If you have not been fooled, you have not looked at enough watches.
     
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