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2-line script on Constellation Dials - what period ?

  1. orario Jan 3, 2019

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    Dear Gentlemen,

    I am very new to the vintage omega world and always seek for advise here in the forum where I got really much enlightenment. There is one topic however where I am still confused: I am lucky owner of two Connies where I am in doubt if they're legit due to the fact that their dials are 2-lines, thus missing the "officially certified" on them. Due to what I understood as common belief, the 2-line dials are a feature exercised in a very short period, around 1959/60. Some of you have better knowledge of that matter. gatorcpa was so kind to post this advertising sheet from 1964:

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    enlarging the period of use of 2-line's from 1959 to 1964. felsby gently posted this 1958 Cal. 505, case 315164, ref. 2852
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    enlarging the period from 1958 to 1964. Now to my two specimen's: The first one is a 14k goldcapped 167.005 CB Nr. 19389790 Cal. 551. dating to ca. 1962. I bought this from a private person in germany who claimed that the watch remained 30 years untouched in a watchmakers studio. Could be, who knows. The watch is in very good condition however. The dial is flawless. Pics:
    Omega Constellation 1.jpg Omega Constellation 2.jpg Omega Constellation 3.jpg Omega Constellation 5.jpg Omega Constellation 12.jpg Omega Constellation 13.jpg

    Whats your opinion ? Legit watch ? Franken ?

    The second one, more a challenge i guess (at least for me): Case: 14393 1961 SC CB, Cal. 561 No. 24505042. Bought 2018 from a private person in germany. No history known. The engine is of the 100.000 record series obtaining the chronometer certification „Résultats particulièrement bons“, in particular amongst the last 5.000 movements tested. That means it was at the observatory around Okt/Nov1965. Time of production in 1965 i guess. As far as I have learned so far, case 14393 ceased production in 1962 ? Please get me some enlightenment, what is not matching here ?

    Thank you guys very much in advance for sharing your views and thoughts about this topic. Sorry to be so long with my explanations. Now the pics of the 2nd watch (the pic of the movement is bad, if you wish I can try to make a better one):

    Constellation Nr 5 -1.jpg Constellation Nr 5 -2.jpg Constellation Nr 5 -3.jpg Constellation Nr 5 -5.jpg Constellation Nr 5 -6.jpg Constellation Nr 5 -7.jpg Constellation Nr 5 -8.jpg Constellation Nr 5 -91.jpg
     
  2. Noddyman Jan 3, 2019

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    My thoughts:
    The first one is legit and on the cusp of change from 14900 to 167.005.
    The second one has had a movement swap, 24xx serial is too late for a 14393.
     
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  3. Peemacgee Purrrr-veyor of luxury cat box loungers Jan 3, 2019

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    From watches that appear to be correct, the two- line text ‘experiment ran from around ‘58-‘63
    So watches sold in the UK in ‘64 would be in this bracket.
    Your 14393 -61 could not have a’65 movement - so if the serial suggests a’65 it must have been replaced.
     
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  4. orario Jan 3, 2019

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    So also dial and movement on the 14393 would hardly be of original assembly ? If it wont be that costly I would ask for an extract of the archives to see what was the original wrapping of that movement.
     
  5. Peemacgee Purrrr-veyor of luxury cat box loungers Jan 3, 2019

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    Odds are that the dial is original to the watch as the 14381 and 14394 were the majority recipients of the two- line text dials.
    Your 14394 would have had a 561 originally but it must have been replaced for some reason.
    I personally wouldn’t spend $150 to find out if the movement originally belonged to a possible number of different references.
     
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  6. orario Jan 4, 2019

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    Thank you very much for sharing your thoughts with this.