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Have a local trying to sell me a watch:

Serviced 2021
Crystals seals push buttons replaced
291 amp
-2 / -3 seconds a day
No bracelet
Chrono resets zero
Movement is 861 (18 jewels)
Super luminova dial
3590.50. 145 0022 /3450022
No box

I'm guessing this is a watch from the mid 90's with the super luminova and 18 jewels but a reference number of 3590.50?

What do you guys think? Do you think it checks out?

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Do you have pictures of the sides? Need to make sure they didn't polish the lugs during the service.
 
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no polishing on during the service .
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Do you have pictures of the sides? Need to make sure they didn't polish the lugs during the service.
 
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You can get a 3590.50 with yellow tritium for $4,000 - $4,500. In my opinion, a much nicer looking watch.

You can also get a new or nearly new 3861 for $5-$6k.

That being said, $3,500 for a serviced Speedy is a good price. If you like the looks of the superluminova, it’s a solid watch.

No bracelet though? My advice is to make sure you are getting exactly what you want, even if it’s a bit more money.
 
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It’s more likely a 3570.50. No 3590 had SL lume. Check the serial on ilovemyspeedmaster.com. If it’s pre 1996, the dial has been replaced.
 
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It’s more likely a 3570.50. No 3590 had SL lume. Check the serial on ilovemyspeedmaster.com. If it’s pre 1996, the dial has been replaced.
That's what I thought.. thanks for the info
 
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It’s a nice watch but for me personally, I would step up and get a new or lightly used 3861 or go with a 3590.50 with yellow tritium lume.

I would also definitely get one that comes with a bracelet.
 
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It’s a nice watch but for me personally, I would step up and get a new or lightly used 3861 or go with a 3590.50 with yellow tritium lume.

I would also definitely get one that comes with a bracelet.
thanks!
 
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Dial is definitely post 1999. Movement is post 1991. So no clues from the pictures.

Price as any modern luminova dial watch. 20-30 years down the road it will just be a luminova watch.

Even if it’s an earlier piece with a replacement dial I’d value the same as these will never be collectible as they went decades with zero changes. Even if it’s a replacement dial the value is the same as it could be worth slightly more if it’s pre 1999 and you source a correct tritium dial and hands.
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Based on that serial number, I think it’s a 3570.50 that was originally tritium but now has a Luminova (service replacement) dial and handset. I have one from the same time period (late 1996) that still has the original tritium dial/handset. I’m too lazy to get up and go check my serial number but I think it’s also 4835xxxx. Like this one, mine is also an 18 jewel cal 861.
 
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Based on that serial number, I think it’s a 3570.50 that was originally tritium but now has a Luminova (service replacement) dial and handset. I have one from the same time period (late 1996) that still has the original tritium dial/handset. I’m too lazy to get up and go check my serial number but I think it’s also 4835xxxx. Like this one, mine is also an 18 jewel cal 861.
The 18th jewel appeared around 1988/89 and it wasn’t untill 91 that the bridge was updated to say 18 jewels. This is shared on both Lemania and Omega branded versions of the movement.
 
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The 18th jewel appeared around 1988/89 and it wasn’t untill 91 that the bridge was updated to say 18 jewels. This is shared on both Lemania and Omega branded versions of the movement.
Yeah, I only mentioned that to differentiate from 1861, which appeared later (and briefly) in these transitional 3570.50s. As it turns out, mine is actually 4834xxxx. October 1996, according to I Love My Speedmaster.
 
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Yeah, I only mentioned that to differentiate from 1861, which appeared later (and briefly) in these transitional 3570.50s. As it turns out, mine is actually 4834xxxx. October 1996, according to I Love My Speedmaster.
Fun fact the 18th jewel appears before the 1861 although that is a common misconception.
 
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My 3590.50 from c. 1991 has 18 jewels but says "17 jewels" on the bridge. Kind of cool, right during the transition.
Movement 2 (no number).webp
 
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My 3590.50 from c. 1991 has 18 jewels but says "17 jewels" on the bridge. Kind of cool, right during the transition.
Movement 2 (no number).webp
Yup my Lemania powered Sin 903 has the same 18th jewel but states 17.
 
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