That is very obviously a redial. Crown is worn, case isn't great either, and movement is dirty, but looks decent. At 2500 CAD, you overpaid a bit more than 2000 CAD.
How was the watch described in the listing? With watches being sent regularly from a watchmaker in VN, one would tend to expect a lot of put-together and restored pieces.
Hi everyone, bought this off of FB marketplace. The guy has lots of 5 star reviews and deals in Omegas and other watches sent to him from his watchmaker in Vietnam. I wanted to know if this was fake. It is a 1962 pie pan constellation with caliber 561. I paid $2500 CAD for it, please let me know. Thank you very much.
How was the watch described in the listing? With watches being sent regularly from a watchmaker in VN, one would tend to expect a lot of put-together and restored pieces.
The minute markers are all over the place, and the Omega logo isnt' even close to centered.
Redials are done by 3rd parties, usually some watchmaker who wanted to make it look 'better' and made it worse, or tried cleaning it and messing it up. Either way it kills the value.
And I'm saying: Its worth roughly $500 CAD at best. Movement is ~$250 of that, case isn't awful, so yeah, anyone who knows what they are looking at wouldn't pay $500 CAD for it.
No expert, but I would not be shocked to learn the dial is original. And while the OP definitely overpaid, the idea this is worth less than $365 USD is ridiculous. On eBay I would expect this to bring at least $1k and probably closer to $1500
You should be shocked, Omega didn't apply minute markers with a sharpie, and their logo with a shotgun.
With a redial, it isn't an authentic pie-pan. The only way this brings in that much is if you find suckers who don't realize it is a redial. So yes, I qualified it as "anyone who knows what they are looking at".
Can't argue about the misaligned logo, but:
The MOY is spot on and the script look good to me. The "A"'s are flat topped. The "n"'s are near closed. The "t" is only half-crossed. And the dot is present over the "I".
And while "anyone who knows what they are looking at wouldn't pay $500 CAD for it" may be true, the idea that it is "worth roughly $500 CAD at best" is still ridiculous.
Also, I would disagree that a redial makes it "not authentic ", which suggests it is fake. There are probably thousands of Omega Pie Pan dials that have been redone, and I am no fan of them, but they are not fake.
Would like to hear input from others.
We use 'redial' to mean "Anything that has been modified" to the point of losing authenticity. In Many/most of the redial cases, it is "watchmaker tried to clean it, and fixed it up with a pen".
In this case, I suspect he did something that caused the logo to become unglued and did a bad job at it, and cleaned the minute markers to the point that quite a few of them are funny looking.
You're definitely right, if you were dishonest, you could probably get quite a bit more than $500 for it, but a dial, once modified, is valueless to a collector. At best case, he finds someone as ill-informed as him, and gets his money back. Worst case, everyone notices what it is, and he gets 'movement + case value' (~$500 CAD). You're likely right that the 'most likely' case is "someone not informed enough to know the problem" , that he'd only have lost 1/2 his money, not 80%.
All that to say: if OP has the option, he should return this ASAP.
That may be how you define "redial", but not so sure about "we". I think most here would feel there is a HUGE difference between an original dial in which the logo was re-glued poorly and one in which the dial was completely re-done.
And as Endshake suggests, I think you are confusing "authentic" and "original".
