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1956 Seamaster 2850 SC - Melbourne Olympics XVI Special Limited

  1. MEugene

    MEugene Apr 15, 2020

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    Thought I would share the arrival of a special Olympic duo here....
    Both the 2850SC prototype with enameled colored Olympic rings, AND the commercial released version with XVI gold markers have a new home.
    Oh, and TWO ORIGINAL Boxes as well.

    The special prototype with the Helsinki Olympic Crest of Merit and five colored enamel rings had been given to John Lupton (of Coca-Cola renown) when he was 30 years old. It is believed the presentation to the Mr. Lupton was related to the long time sponsorship of the Olympics by Coca-Cola.
    The watch remained in the Lupton family until 1999 when it was purchased by a Hong Kong resident, from whom I purchased the watch, with its original caramel-colored leather presentation box that matched the watch band.
    The commercially release Seamaster XVI was also purchased recently, but has been reunited with an original presentation box as well.

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  2. aps26469

    aps26469 Apr 15, 2020

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    Super Nice ones. Did not know they existed. I assume they are super rare. Congratulations.
     
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  3. MEugene

    MEugene Apr 15, 2020

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    Thank you so much! Yes, they are both extraordinarily rare...and largely unknown as a result. I loved the story of the prototype version and wanted to have a full story so I have started! There is yet another version with all red rings... And I know who has one... Lol
     
  4. MEugene

    MEugene Apr 15, 2020

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    More information can be read at these links:
    1- auction notes at Catawiki- https://www.catawiki.com/l/11520395

    https://www.catawiki.com/stories/43...otype-from-the-1956-melbourne-summer-olympics

    2- Hodinkee - https://shop.hodinkee.com/products/...0sc-for-the-olympic-games?variant=49876138895
     
  5. apsm100

    apsm100 Apr 15, 2020

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    Very cool finds. I don't know much about these references but my knee jerk reaction to the XVI is that it has seen a repaint?
     
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  6. gatorcpa

    gatorcpa ΩF InvestiGator Staff Member Apr 15, 2020

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  7. STANDY

    STANDY schizophrenic pizza orderer and watch collector Apr 15, 2020

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  8. MEugene

    MEugene Apr 16, 2020

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    Curious - certainly I'm no expert, but I do know that variants without minute markers are common in the wild (as Mac_omega's pic shows). I know far less about the XVI variant than the multi-colored ring watch I have. How would one determine if a dial had been repainted (yeah, I haven't been on the forum for 10 years accumulating all that knowledge yet) ?
     
  9. apsm100

    apsm100 Apr 16, 2020

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    Comparing with the the Hodinkee XVI you linked: The Seamaster script isn't correct (lack of serifs, crispness). Also I am not seeing the SWISS MADE at the 6 o'clock.
     
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  10. wbfondren

    wbfondren Apr 16, 2020

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    I have a friend with one of these XVI watches too that came from his grandfather. His is also missing the Swiss Made at 6 o’clock, so I assumed that it was a redial as well. Just so interesting it hasn’t left his family and (likely) has a replacement dial.

    Any experts want to weigh in?
     
  11. Foo2rama

    Foo2rama Keeps his worms in a ball instead of a can. Apr 16, 2020

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    Missing Swiss made and the minute track would make me think cleaned, or redialed.
     
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  12. gatorcpa

    gatorcpa ΩF InvestiGator Staff Member Apr 16, 2020

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    I agree on the "Swiss Made", but there are variations on the dials. Some do not have a minutes track.
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  13. MEugene

    MEugene Apr 17, 2020

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    Thanks for the feedback!
    I'm curious - does 're-dial' refer generically to a 'jiggered' replacement dial or to the refinishing/repainting of the dial?

    And, maybe this seems a greenhorn question to ask (cool, just tell me - LOL) but does a 'redial' indicate inauthenticity, and therefore a reason for seeking a refund on a purchased watch sold as 'authentic'? I certainly was not expecting to receive some sort of frankenwatch, but I'm still a bit unclear as to how serious an indicated 'redial' is, with respect to simply not being 'purely original components', or if it's in the category similar to a watch with a replaced Omega crown or replaced gear or mainspring... e.g., "no longer exactly as built"?
     
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  14. apsm100

    apsm100 Apr 17, 2020

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    It is still authentic and it still is the 'original' dial just with paint overtop of it. The seller should have stressed that it is a redial (if he was aware himself). It is just worth considerably less than one with original paint.
     
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  15. STANDY

    STANDY schizophrenic pizza orderer and watch collector Apr 17, 2020

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    Redial is a serious amount of discount $$ wise to an original and a lot harder to sell in the future.