Hi, I just bought this nice Omega. To me it is the same as the Swedish “suverän”. But without the caseback engravings. I’m curious of the hands. The watch to me is a military style SS case, but hands are gold and more 50’s style. Could they be original? Also movement has no caliber marking. Was this usual or is anything wrong with that? What do you think? /Ed

 

Hands are probably original but the dial may been refinished in an incorrect "military" style. Can't say for sure without much better photos.

Caliber should be under the balance. Movement has issues, needing at the very least a service, the regulator should be near the center.

 

Do you have a picture of the inside of the caseback?

 

movement number should be around 1951. omega sign on dial is not the correct one for that period. so, looks like a repainted dial. or different dial and movement year ,aka put tohether. kind regards. achim

 

Looks like 30T2PC is the caliber under the balance.

It needs a service.

 

It does not seem a repainted dial, but it's incorrect for that movement, which is earlier

 

You are wrong, the dial has been repainted.

 

Well could be, but I'm not so sure, why do you think it's a redial?

 

Thanks all, i will have to investigate further. The way I bought it indicates original - not repaint, and when I look close it looks very genuine.

 

Because he's seen thousands and thousands of Omega dials over they years and has a pretty good eye for what's original and what isn't.

 

This is not a reason, sorry.
Please don't take part if this is your contribution level.
I don't want to be rude, we are just talking about a dial, I would like to discuss about it, because It seems good to me.
That's all.

 

I still think it is.

 

The movement dates to about 1944 or so.

So this Ω symbol is entirely wrong for that period, even though it is reasonably well done.



Therefore you have a choice.

Believe it's a redial, or

Believe it's a later dial.

My opinion is that somebody raided the parts bin to make this one, but that is only my opinion.

 

Does anybody know when and where people started to repaint Omegas to look vintage? I can't see a reason to do this before vintage style became in fashion, (and before they became rare / expensive).

 

Watches have had dials "restored" or repainted for many many years. In the 1920s/30s/40s/50s it was not unusual to have it done when a watch was repaired or serviced.

The appearance of "military" redials has been happening for at least ten years from my experience.

The internet has a lot to answer for.

 

I agree, in my opinion it's an original fifties dial on a forties movement, but as your one, it's just my opinion

 

I think it's a redial, done in the late 50's early 60's.
Here are mine for comparison, they are Suverans and 2383s from the mid to late 40's, look at the shape of the logo for the first 5 pics. Then compare them to your watch, then look at my last pic. I've always thought the watch in the last pic was a redial.

Best.

*Edit, also, look at the hands, military style usually has military hands. Dauphine hands usually found on the 50's manual wind models with cal 265, 266, 267. Cal 268's tend to be found with alpha hands.

 

Sometimes people pay noob tax and learn better.

 

What do you mean with "noob tax"?

 

Noob tax has many meanings. i will choose the most polite one: Buy whatever you want, ask here for advice , learn the Truth and try yo avoid the same mistake in the future.
Turn Ignorance into Expertise. And whatever you do here: Word it Politely. That always helps with Future Questions, you may have. kind regards. Achim