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1939 Omega 33.3 Chronograph

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Hi all!
What do you think of this 33.3 chronograph. The seller says the Extract of the archives states the watch was delivered in Italy in 1939. Ref CK 987.

I have no doubt about its authenticity but what about condition? What price should it fetch? The seller initially suggested $US 30k. That seems very high doesnt

The seller also has a similar Tissot model.

How would value and desirability compare between the Tissot and the Omega?
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I'm not happy with the thickness of the Telemeter print. And the placement of the omega sign so close to the next scale. And therefore not happy with the price.... Kind regards. Achim
 
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I'm not happy with the thickness of the Telemeter print. And the placement of the omega sign so close to the next scale. And therefore not happy with the price.... Kind regards. Achim

FYI I posted just out of curiosity not to buy. I could not afford such a watch.

I just want to see how the experts see it.
 
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My first thought was what a superbly-preserved Omega dial this is, with no wonky script or numbers and the 5s all identical, which I always think is a good sign. Then I noticed a stain in the shape of a tugboat between and above the 5 and 7 hour markers, and another stain as a line from the 11 to 10 markers. I'm never happy when I can see stains under what purports to be original finish. But if that's a redial, it's amazingly good. So I'm not sure what to think.
 
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Edward53 Edward53
My first thought was what a superbly-preserved Omega dial this is, with no wonky script or numbers and the 5s all identical, which I always think is a good sign. Then I noticed a stain in the shape of a tugboat between and above the 5 and 7 hour markers, and another stain as a line from the 11 to 10 markers. I'm never happy when I can see stains under what purports to be original finish. But if that's a redial, it's amazingly good. So I'm not sure what to think.

What great observation skills you have👍

I see both stains. The tugboat stain extends below the 6 marker (between the 30 and sixty markers below) where the edge of the stain is clearly visible
 
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What great observation skills you have👍

I see both stains. The tugboat stain extends below the 6 marker (between the 30 and sixty markers below) where the edge of the stain is clearly visible
Sorry I'm wrong about the stain extending below the 6 marker. The dark ring continues around the whole edge of the second innermost scale
 
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Look at the red 40 around 9 o’clock and look at the “fold” along the dial rim just inside of the outer red numbers.
 
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Look at the red 40 around 9 o’clock and look at the “fold” along the dial rim just inside of the outer red numbers.

I see the fold but I think the red 40 is consistent with other 4s and 0s on the dial. It's just inside the chronograph ring.
 
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Also compare the 4 'o clock and 8 'o clock applied copper markers.

The sheen looks different but it may just be due to reflection in photography
 
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My first thought was what a superbly-preserved Omega dial this is, with no wonky script or numbers and the 5s all identical, which I always think is a good sign. Then I noticed a stain in the shape of a tugboat between and above the 5 and 7 hour markers, and another stain as a line from the 11 to 10 markers. I'm never happy when I can see stains under what purports to be original finish. But if that's a redial, it's amazingly good. So I'm not sure what to think.

Do you think it's even possible to redial something of this dial complexity?😁
The serial number dates it to 1939.
 
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Each time I see the OF resident experts' input, it just reminds me just how uneducated I still am about the intricacies of such vintage watches. Such a lesson of humility in front of the depth and breath of knowledge of our true collectors and experts.
I am so grateful for you guys to share your knowledge with the community and to help us!!
Kudos to all of you and this forum again!!
 
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I see the fold but I think the red 40 is consistent with other 4s and 0s on the dial. It's just inside the chronograph ring.
nkb nkb
Do you think it's even possible to redial something of this dial complexity?😁
The serial number dates it to 1939.

Of course! There have been 33.3 redialled dials for sale on eBay for over 10 years many this “complex”

And I think @cristos71 was referring to the placement of the markers in relation to the subdials.

And the omega models will fetch multiples of the tissot model condition and originality being equal.
 
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I'm not happy with the thickness of the Telemeter print. And the placement of the omega sign so close to the next scale. And therefore not happy with the price.... Kind regards. Achim
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Of course! There have been 33.3 redialled dials for sale on eBay for over 10 years many this “complex”

And I think @cristos71 was referring to the placement of the markers in relation to the subdials.

And the omega models will fetch multiples of the tissot model condition and originality being equal.

Ok thanks for clarification !

This why I brought this to you guys because you are all serious experts👍
 
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nkb nkb
Do you think it's even possible to redial something of this dial complexity?😁
The serial number dates it to 1939.
Complexity is not the problem. You just need the correct (and mostly old) cliches.
I have seen a nearly perfect redial of a Zenith Chrono and would love to know the redialer.

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Of course! There have been 33.3 redialled dials for sale on eBay for over 10 years many this “complex”
Yeah, but most scream redial in your face...

I agree that the dial looks somewhat strange. I have a feeling that there is something wrong. Also, the movement looks a bit more tired than the dial. Look at the bridge.
But on the other hand, I know that it is nearly impossible to print the white ring under the pulsation scale properly nowadays. And this seems nearly perfect on the dial.

Any chance to get better hires pics of the dial?
 
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And I think @cristos71 was referring to the placement of the markers in relation to the subdials.
But that should be a production issue not a sign of redial. Otherwise, the 4 marker would not be cut.
 
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But that should be a production issue not a sign of redial. Otherwise, the 4 marker would not be cut.

Should all 4 copper markers near the chronograph rings be cut or just out mside the chronograph rings? The only one that is not cut is at 7
 
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Should all 4 copper markers near the chronograph rings be cut or just out mside the chronograph rings? The only one that is not cut is at 7

Oku I see what you mean that is likely due to a production issue not neccesarily a redial😀
 
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Complexity is not the problem. You just need the correct (and mostly old) cliches.
I have seen a nearly perfect redial of a Zenith Chrono and would love to know the redialer.


Yeah, but most scream redial in your face...

I agree that the dial looks somewhat strange. I have a feeling that there is something wrong. Also, the movement looks a bit more tired than the dial. Look at the bridge.
But on the other hand, I know that it is nearly impossible to print the white ring under the pulsation scale properly nowadays. And this seems nearly perfect on the dial.

Any chance to get better hires pics of the dial?

I could ask but the seller knows I dont want to buy. He may ask why I want more pics
 
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And I think @cristos71 was referring to the placement of the markers in relation to the subdials.

Yes that was my point. I'm not really knowledgeable at all on these 33.3's but the asymmetrical cut off markers don't look right to me.
 
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