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  1. Faz Feb 11, 2021

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    Define "true" GMT? As far as I'm concerned, and independent GMT hand and a date feature that can be set backwards fits the description of a "true GMT". The references you mention have neither.
     
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  2. Faz Feb 11, 2021

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    ...but still GMTs
     
  3. cvalue13 Feb 11, 2021

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    Funny how many definitions of “true GMT” can be found. I think most point instead to a quick-set local hour hand.

    In any event, what isn’t a GMT are watches like the Explorer I, where the 24hr hand is slave to the 12 hr hand and as a result the 24hr hand is actually only a glorified AM/PM indicator.

    But I’d argue the bare minimum to be a GMT watch is any 24hr movement with a three hand setup: the watch can be set to GMT and read in 24hr time telling, which is all pilots needed.

    Past that and even better is a 24hr movement with also a rotating 24hr dial, such as the Glycine Airman - now pilots can set the dial face to GMT and the bezel to their preferred “local” (be that destination, origin, or where their sweetheart lives).

    The Rolex GMT was in some respects then a step backwards from pilots needs and toward more civilian-minded needs, in that it incorporated a 12hr movement at all.

    I’ve birdwalked enough, but also enough to now make the point: any Rolex GMT is a GMT, and OP shouldn’t get hung up on whether there’s a “true GMT” version.

    Unless the OP is a pilot who does not use 12hr time format and regularly crosses time zones, in which case buy a 24hr watch ;)
     
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  4. Togri v. 2.0 Wow! Custom title... cool Feb 12, 2021

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    Ahh come on! You can’t expect some schmuck, who have just paid $15,000 for a hyped watch with a cracked dial to just call it what it is. Then he wouldn’t be able to sell with a 50 percent profit one year later :D
     
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  5. spacemission Feb 12, 2021

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    It has been explained, saga GMT-Master. I'm sorry I'm very romantic. Even a bezel with 120 clicks is welcome :)

    I think that independent hour hand was really great for GMT-Master II but mainly for Explorer II. However we can talk in the future about how do you have to set the time if you go to Nepal for example ;)
     
  6. 64Wing Feb 12, 2021

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    ....you spying on me now?
     
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  7. Milsub5517 Feb 12, 2021

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    Haha. I’m certainly starting to show signs of patina myself.
     
  8. 140dave Feb 12, 2021

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    What, is everyone discussing watches none of you own?!? Where are the pictures in this thread?!? :D
     
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  9. 64Wing Feb 12, 2021

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    Hopefully I'll have some shots to reignite the thread later this year when I find the right example and the buying window is appropriate!
     
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  10. KAP Feb 12, 2021

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    I wasn’t going to insert a picture since I recently posted an photo of my 16700 in another thread. Hard to believe though that there are no images yet out of 2 pages so here’s mine.
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  11. ATWG Feb 12, 2021

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    Beautiful example. Is this the one sold recently by Mr.Kaplan? Also, what's the beginning serial on this?
     
  12. Faz Feb 12, 2021

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    Ok...16710 here. A worthy replacement to my long gone and foolishly sold 16750. If my 16710 had a quick set date, it would certainly be "the perfect GMT".

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  13. cvalue13 Feb 12, 2021

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    I’m here because one of the discussed models is on my hit list next call, call and the addition of photos cause not helping matters!
     
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  14. KAP Feb 12, 2021

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    This came from Fabrizio a couple years ago. It’s from 1990 and an E serial.
     
  15. Faz Feb 12, 2021

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    My 16710 is also an E serial...
     
  16. Nobel Prize Spell Master! Feb 12, 2021

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    16710 from 2004

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  17. 64Wing Feb 12, 2021

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    You're a bad man for posting this image only moments after I mopped up the drool from seeing your 1911 collection
     
  18. vintage hab Feb 12, 2021

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    as I've said repeatedly, Coke is the Real Thing (16710)
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  19. Faz Feb 12, 2021

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    Although Pepsi is the original, Coke deserves some accolades!
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  20. CoDiffe May 5, 2022

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    So as a new 16710 owner I've got to say I'm a little surprised by the thickness of the case. Used to have a 16750 and case was definitely slimmer than a sub. I've held my 16710 up next to my 14060 and I can't see any difference in thickness - they look the same! Can't imagine the thickness of a 16760 but have never held one.