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Omega Stories: Buying a Pie-pan From the Creepiest “Collector” I’ve Ever Met

  1. dsio Ash @ ΩF Staff Member Sep 13, 2022

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    “The entire time I was in that house, even though I was much larger than him and younger than him, I was extremely uneasy and didn't want to be there. At the same time I humored him for nearly two hours because I really didn't want to upset the man either.” [..]

    Visit Buying a Pie-pan from the Creepiest “Collector” I’ve Ever Met to read the full article.
     
  2. pdxleaf ... Sep 13, 2022

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    Nice illustrations. And the story lived up to the title.

    I'd choose cult guy over this guy any day.
     
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  3. paddymoran Sep 13, 2022

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    Looking forward to reading the story but what if he’s an OF member :D
     
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  4. mydeafcat Sep 13, 2022

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    Another engaging read. Thank you.

    So this older fellow decorated his entranceway with a flag of the Third Reich, alongside the Schutzstaffel and Totenkopf. These symbols remain ugly reminders of humans’ capacity for abject cruelty, and the logical, terrifying extreme of the herd mentality.

    Yet, ‘He was quick to insist he wasn’t a Nazi sympathizer or racist…’.

    I believe him as much as I do those who insisted ‘they had no idea what was going on…’.

    To quote Lou Reed: “you can’t rely on the goodly-hearted; the goodly-hearted made lampshades and soap…”.
     
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  5. blubarb Sep 13, 2022

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    Every so often I come across something, or someone, that reminds me why I am a collector at heart, fundamentally of watches it's true, but of other items as well, from exotic and unique Aussie Digger memorabilia, Donald Campbell iconography, table lighters... to early 60s Coca-Cola yoyos. This story reminds me of just this, all those times I have walked into uninviting, unforgiving even dangerous environments to pick up that so called "grail". Being overseas has been the most daunting, but the months before the end of the Cold War saw some great vintage pieces beginning to see the light of day if you were crazy enough to trust and travel with someone you just met over a beer. Thankfully, more often than not over the many decades, the greater majority of people (famous and infamous) I have met collecting watches have positively added to rich tapestry of my collecting experiences. Yes there are some weird people with unbending and honestly crazy views who claim context for their bizarre motivations but on being pressed for that context fall far short of a sound and mentally healthy explanation. Who knows, I might be one of them. I hope not.

    I loved this narrative because it was written by someone who is a collector at heart, is able to engage that trepidation and excitement we all have for the hunt, is in touch with his sense of experience but is smart enough to clearly draw a line under what he will and will not morally compromise over. Interesting that the old guy never really explained the context of that photo of the child, the gun and himself as a youth. I see no difference in that to the many atrocious photos that came out of Kampuchea (as it was) imperious men with guns - a sense of lawlessness law in PNG at the time as Australia was still trying to get traction on the ground. I also suspect this is because the context was a supercilious vanity and he had no intention of exposing his own ugliness along with the obscene power he held over the mother through the child. His symbols were all of power (he even used his father a power symbol of their families once great authority) and I bet he had no interest in wanting to part with those ugly symbols of power, especially the nazi stuff - ..oh...I'm not a nazi, I am just a collector - well, just like food, as my mum would say, you are what you eat. Here you are what you collect.

    It did remind me of the Roald Dahl story "The Man From the South" and I was just waiting for him to put the bet on the table - your finger for his Connie.


    Thanks, Ash, just a great story.
     
  6. Difeer Sep 13, 2022

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    When someone starts their speech with a qualification

    "I am not a racist......"
    "I am not a busybody......"
    "I am not trying to be rude......"

    They are usually that thing they claim not to be :p
     
  7. RevZMan123 Sep 13, 2022

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    Eesh, this is the creepiest one so far.
     
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  8. Dan S Sep 13, 2022

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    Ick.
     
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  9. 140dave Sep 13, 2022

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    "I suppose this is what happens when a man remains a bachelor his entire life."
    Wait, that can make you a scumbag who idolizes Nazis?!?! Who knew? (Though I do suspect the character of someone who has such a collection might lead to him being a bachelor, or one would hope at least...)

    That line made me laugh as I did presume you meant the over-display of a collection and have a few friends who are committed bachelors with large Sports, Marvel and or Star Wars collections on display. Ones no wife would ever allow.

    "Having said that, a normal person doesn't just put stuff like that in the entryway of their home unless they are genuinely proud of it and want others to notice it."
    Yup
    Stories like these are one of the reasons I still like the anonymity of ebay & OF purchases. I'll skip a bargain to avoid this or the cult leader! I'll leave these for you and Janice&Fred ;)

    These are fun reads, thanks, a good addition to the platform.

    I really, really hope not...
     
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  10. dsio Ash @ ΩF Staff Member Sep 13, 2022

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    Yea I was fairly sure I knew the kind of person I was dealing with by that stage. The stories he told of his times over in PNG were not funny or hilarious, they were morbid and horrific, yet he was laughing while telling them. Describing kids in a village dying of cholera so vividly that I gained a new insight into what a horrible means of death that must be, and giggling when he said “shitting themselves to death”.

    He sort of oscillated between expressing a love and fondness for the people and the land and his time there, and then describing people and events in a way that made the islanders seem more like livestock than human beings. Maybe he both loved them and had no respect for them? There definitely was no hatred that he expressed but I can’t help but think they must have hated him and his mates.
     
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  11. mydeafcat Sep 13, 2022

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    Ash, this perfectly describes what Hannah Arendt referred to as the ‘Banality of Evil’.

    It never ceases to amaze - and horrify - me how easily people are willing to ‘pull the legs off spiders’ if given a green light. Except these aren’t thoughtless children playing with insects, of course: they’re humans abusing fellow humans (viewed casually as ‘vermin’, in National Socialist parlance). We’ve seen this recently in Bucha, Ukraine, and we’ll see it again. And again.

    Hahaha, very funny watching people shit out their guts. A real comedy act. The mind boggles.

    The upside here is you rescued a fine watch from the clutches of a devil.
     
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  12. blubarb Sep 13, 2022

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    Which reminds me, I am still looking for the best Bulova 666 Devil Diver in the world. :D
     
  13. watchyouwant ΩF Clairvoyant Sep 14, 2022

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    Yes, there is always a very fine line between Human extremes..... Good or Evil, Love or Hate ( ask divorce lawyers about that line...) , Religion springs to Mind , Electro shock experiments , where " Authorities " demand the Shock giver to act under pressure to administer a deadly voltage to a stranger ..... The list is long. And Human Kind does not seem to learn from previous Generations cruelties. And odd twists; like the big Collectors of German 3. Reich stuff are in Israel. Hitler won the average German over, in giving them back their Pride after the lost WW1. Like Putin is doing now in Russia. Russians are mostly great People with a big Heart, but the average Russian wants the Glory and Respect for the former Soviet Union on the World Stage , back. To make up for their own poverty.....
     
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  14. rob#1 Sep 14, 2022

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    A fascinating read, wasn’t sure where it would lead…

    Cult leaders, Nazi creeps, whatever next? :confused:
     
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  15. krogerfoot Sep 14, 2022

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    Very good story, and I’m more interested in ever in what’s going on with the illustrations. No offense intended if I’m wrong, but is there any AI involved? The hallway illustration is downright uncanny—I was morbidly curious to see what those photos on the wall were supposed to depict, but zooming in just makes them even more mysterious and alienating.
     
  16. Nupero Sep 14, 2022

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    Maybe the creepiness was just an intricate negotiation tactic? I bet you didn't even think about haggling :D
     
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  17. dsio Ash @ ΩF Staff Member Sep 14, 2022

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    You’ve got a very good eye! Marielle did the first set, for the second and third we used AI, Trev spends a long time iterating over them and fine tuning them to get them just right. I’m pretty happy with the results thus far.
     
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  18. Danwales Sep 14, 2022

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    An interesting read. I never even knew there was an Omega Stories section!

    On the subject of collecting such morbid memorabilia, I personally think it odd but one of my favourite musicians Lemmy of the band Motorhead had a huge collection of Nazi stuff!
     
  19. RevZMan123 Sep 14, 2022

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    We've been watching more art videos lately that talk about using AI to create one. Today someone made "Darth Vader at a picnic with a bunny rabbit" ... and it certainly did not disappoint.

    You've seemingly got the tuning down as the AI-generated pictures fit exactly with the theme and story.
     
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  20. dsio Ash @ ΩF Staff Member Sep 15, 2022

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    I don’t know enough about Lemmy and his motivations to really comment much, though I like a bit of Motörhead for sure.

    There are definitely good reasons for historical artefacts to be preserved for museums and exhibits to ensure the past isn’t forgotten, and that includes historical propaganda and things of that nature.

    In terms of private people that collect and display that stuff, I’ve come across a few that do thus far and haven’t found any of them to be normal / healthy people.

    I think what makes it worse is that in the case of this man, the medals, photos, bayonets and various pieces of militaria were probably original artefacts, but the flags, propaganda stuff and several other items he had on display were clearly new. They’re made in China, Vietnam and various parts of south east Asia. There’s a large market for producing more of the stuff, which in 2022 is a bit sad. It’s also the reason why if you search for vintage watches and add WW2 or a variety of military keywords you find so many with Nazi rubbish printed on them, because it’s popular among certain people.

    I just think that if you’re spending your own hard owned money on something it’s likely because it excites you, or brings some joy to you, or you think it’s really cool. There may be people that are exceptions to that but I just haven’t come across them so far.