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  1. EdtheAussie Nov 8, 2018

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    Hi everyone,

    Looking at purchasing this 71' speedmaster and just had a couple things I wanted some help with.

    Overall the watch looks great. The bezel is a later service piece, but I don't know about the crown and pushers on these "post moon models"? - do these look to be period parts - I don't have a MWO handy :(

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    The movement looks ok, there a few little dings - it is running ok and chrono works and resets to 0. The gasket is done for, so will probably go for a service in the near future.

    What are your thoughts on the case condition, it appears to have the brushing, just not sure how 'thic' it looks. Could this have been polished previously?

    Also comes on a nice 1499/842 - but I have a 1171 that would compliment it nicely :)

    Thanks!
    Ed
     
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  2. JC75 Nov 8, 2018

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    Hi, I would say the watch is correct except the bezel - it should be a narrow "C" - and the bracelet - should be a 1171/633.
    Crown and pushers look period correct.
    Better pictures of the dial would be needed to say there is a problem - can't see any with the ones you provided :thumbsup:
     
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  3. ATWG Nov 8, 2018

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    The case looks pretty goo to me, sharp edges. Dial is also nice, but a macro shot would be good. Movement will obviously need service, but is correct serial for this reference. Lastly, the bracelet is for a modern speedy.
     
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  4. gdupree Nov 8, 2018

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    To your question, all that can be said is the crown and pushers appear to be correct for the reference. But, the period-correct crown and pushers currently seen on the watch are also essentially identical to the modern production parts. Regardless, given that these parts are typically replaced at a service, and that the case back gasket takes a considerable amount of time to emulsify as it has in this example, then it's safe to say it has not been serviced in a significant amount of time. So I would say that it is likely that the crown and pushers have likewise not been replaced recently. The corrosion around the base of the pushers, and the sharper edges around the rim of the crown also seem to agree that they are period correct and possibly original.

    Short answer: I think those pieces are probably original. As does everything else, aside from the bezel and bracelet as already mentioned. Case looks decent too.
     
  5. BenBagbag Nov 8, 2018

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    I think what your saying makes sense.

    So you think it just got a bezel/bracelet refresh a bit ago? Who would do that kind of work? Genuinely asking.
     
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  6. dan7800 Nov 8, 2018

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    For my own education, how can you tell that the movement will need a service?
     
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  7. Aludic @SpeedyBirthYear Nov 8, 2018

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    Hi @dan7800,

    As pointed out by @gdupree above; the case back gasket looks like it has been sitting in place for a long time. Typically this would be replaced during service which - therefore - must have been a long time ago...
     
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  8. gdupree Nov 8, 2018

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    Good point. The bracelet could have been done by anyone who preferred the feel of the modern bracelet, but the bezel swap requires at least some knowledge and tools... The bezel is the MWO B5, made from 1995-2004. It shows some age, so perhaps its from the early end of that range. I wish there were some research on how long it takes Omega gaskets to emulsify in various conditions. If they can emulsify in >20 years, then I suppose it's possible that it saw a service in the mid/late-90's, and a new bezel, bracelet, crown, pushers in the process. That bracelet was only made in 1996-1998, so that actually does fit nicely in that timeline. Since that was right around the switch to luminova, maybe they were not yet actively replacing tritium parts, so the dial and hands were left as-is. Not sure. Maybe they are service after all?... But nerdiness aside, I don't imagine it would affect the value too much either way even if they are service.
     
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  9. EdtheAussie Nov 8, 2018

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    Thanks for all the help guys :)

    Didn't realise the crowns from 70 onwards were the same used in modern speedies.

    I'll be picking it up tomorrow!
     
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  10. Davidt Nov 8, 2018

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    I'm not sure what you're actually saying about the dial but it is correct for the reference
     
  11. EdtheAussie Nov 8, 2018

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    I thought the same. ;)
     
  12. dennisthemenace Hey, he asked for it! Nov 8, 2018

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    I've no idea why certain members are suggesting that the dial is anything other than original. Maybe they know something that the rest of us don't?
     
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  13. ndgal Nov 8, 2018

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    Other than the later bezel, I see no issues with the watch.
    Case looks great. Nice and thick.
    If you like the watch and the asking price, I say congrats!.
     
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  14. EdtheAussie Nov 9, 2018

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    The asking price is good considering condition, and I had thought the same things :) just like to check before putting $$$ down ;)
     
  15. plexyforever Nov 9, 2018

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    Except the bezel I don’t see anything wrong
     
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  16. 104RS Nov 10, 2018

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    Just look for a 1171/633, those are not too expensive, a service and you're good to go
     
  17. Foo2rama Keeps his worms in a ball instead of a can. Nov 10, 2018

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    I disagree and that dial was gone in 73. Service dials for these are just regular production dials.
     
  18. JC75 Nov 12, 2018

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    First time I actually read someone complaining about a clean dial ;)
     
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  19. Foo2rama Keeps his worms in a ball instead of a can. Nov 12, 2018

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    Great I’ll trade you some aged dials for the perfect dials in your collection.

    I’ve never seen a watch down checked for having s perfect dial. As long as it’s correct and not redialed or relumed.
     
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  20. WatchVaultNYC Nov 12, 2018

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    One of these days I'll pick up a '71 - my birth year!
     
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