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  1. djmusicman Jun 1, 2018

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    How can we tell if a watch has really clean original lume or if it's a really good relume? This 145.012-67 dial looks good but is it redone? Thanks 145.012-67 1.JPG 145.012-67 2.JPG
     
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  2. trash_gordon Jun 1, 2018

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    You need a UV-Lamp to verificate
     
  3. Philou Jun 1, 2018

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    as @trash_gordon said, UV lamp is a must to check the lume.
    Your dial looks original but I am more circumspect about the hands installed
     
  4. eugeneandresson 'I used a hammer, a chisel, and my fingers' Jun 1, 2018

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    Care to elaborate?
     
  5. djmusicman Jun 1, 2018

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    I guess it's because they match perfectly. I'm more concerned about the dial, relumed hands don't bother me for some reason.
     
  6. bags1971 Jun 1, 2018

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    dial or hands being relumed wouldn't bother me it looks a nice piece
     
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  7. Philou Jun 1, 2018

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    Hands looks very even and clean, I would like to see them under UV light to be sure they're not relumed
     
  8. Lonestar insert Schwartz joke HERE Jun 1, 2018

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    Looks lovely, relumed or not!

    hasn't the bezel been touched-up, too?
     
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  9. ewand Jun 1, 2018

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    It looks almost too good & clean to be straight...

    and this upload_2018-6-1_10-56-24.png might be a clue as well... how much is the seller asking?
     
  10. djmusicman Jun 1, 2018

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    $9000, I just spoke to the seller and it's already reserved.
     
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  11. bags1971 Jun 1, 2018

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  12. djmusicman Jun 1, 2018

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    Yes, I've seen that one, the left chrono dial is marked.
     
  13. djmusicman Jun 1, 2018

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    Someone got a nice one, 26 million serial. 145.012-67 movement.JPG
    Caseback has some toolmarks but is otherwise in good shape

    145.012-67 casebacj.JPG
    145.012-67 caseback.JPG

    Case looks crisp
    145.012-67 side 1.JPG 145.012-67 side 2.JPG
     
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  14. morningtundra Jun 1, 2018

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    If Relumers are useing degraded tritium, how does a UV lamp help identify a relume job?

    Not trying to be argumentative just curious...
     
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  15. Philou Jun 1, 2018

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    Good point, are some relumers using radioactive tritium for their compound, I would like to know !
     
  16. lando Jun 1, 2018

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    The dial lume on that watch looks very much like the one on my -67. Slightly shrunk and with some darker spots in it. A similarity in hour and minute hand lume can also be seen on these two watches.

    OP lume is identical in color on dial and hands. It does look relumed to me.

    Here my -67 for comparison:
    145012-67_(2548)_small.jpg
     
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  17. Lonestar insert Schwartz joke HERE Jun 1, 2018

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  18. bags1971 Jun 1, 2018

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    I honestly think it wont make a difference if it enhances the watches look they I say why not

    Id rather look at a nice watch than a watch with missing lume and chipped hands but thats just me
     
  19. djmusicman Jun 1, 2018

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    I know that LAWW offer "hand re-lume with period correct material (tritium) that is consistent in texture and color matched with excellent results" but that's the hands.

    I have no problem re-luming the hands (because I've seen excellent results) but touching the dial is usually seen as a no no because re-lumed dials usually look crap...

    This one looks great but very clean for it's age.
     
  20. bags1971 Jun 1, 2018

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    this is a relumed dial
     
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