105004-64 newbie

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Caselock

·Sep 8, 2023

Hi there,

new on this forum I was reading along for some months, now it is time to step forward and try my first post here. I hope the pics will show. My meandering through the fields of collecting watches was focused on military watches for some years, but now interest rises for this marvelous brand. Meanwhile things seem to shift ...

Coming from collecting military watches, I am happy with watches that show some wear and patina. So this one was the first chrono I bought some years ago, not knowing much about Omega: all I wanted was a steel-cased collumwheel chrongraph, affordable and much cheaper than the beloved collumwheel-Speedy: I ended up with this haevily used and polished 105004-64:

I always felt like the pushers were to long and bent. But it was running fine and my watchmaker was happy with it when giving it a service. So I ended up wearing it quite a bit.

I thought I try with this watch as first post on this forum, since it was my first contact with the brand. Others came later....

Best regards,

caselock

 

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Spruce

·Sep 8, 2023·Sunburst dial fan

Nice watch.
Welcome to OF

 

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daderaz

·Sep 8, 2023

Very nice, even if worn. Unfortunately the dial was reprinted at some point in his life.
It's the only flaw I see, and for some this could be a problem.
Anyway enjoy it, it's a super watch!

 

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Fallout Boy

·Sep 9, 2023

Welcome ! Nice model! As said above: enjoy this watch!

btw and @daderaz : why reprinted? Is it the r? "Wrong" indexes??

IMO lume seems to be (original?) tritium?

 

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eugeneandresson

·Sep 9, 2023

Fallout Boy

why reprinted? Is it the r? "Wrong" indexes??

‘Seamaster’ looks totally wrong. Subregister index markers are also not correct in position or length with respect to the subregisters. The subregister text is also wrongly printed: (to me it looks too small/thick). I havent bothered to check other things. Do a google image search on this super rare reference and you will see what i mean.

 

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Davidt

·Sep 9, 2023

Lovely watch and great daily wearer but there’s no question - the dial has been repainted.

 

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duffy7

·Sep 9, 2023

Hi and welcome to OF

In my opinion the dial isn't correct for a 105.004. I can't remember that I have ever seen this style on a 105.004. (style is more like a dial from the 50is; for me it seems like that it was redialed)

Serial is in the correct range for a 105.004. Lume is radium
Best
Duffy

 

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Caselock

·Sep 9, 2023

Thank you for the warm welcome!

And thank you for the infos:
I was not aware of the redial since it shows signs of aging: it hat some spots and a slight scratches, so I figure it was redialed some time ago and had services since. Too bad that these white/light dials decay so fast or show stains etc. very early in their life...
I thought these pushers should be wider and shorter, they are sticking out quite a bit...

 

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Davidt

·Sep 9, 2023

Caselock

Thank you for the warm welcome!

And thank you for the infos:
I was not aware of the redial since it shows signs of aging: it hat some spots and a slight scratches, so I figure it was redialed some time ago and had services since. Too bad that these white/light dials decay so fast or show stains etc. very early in their life...
I thought these pushers should be wider and shorter, they are sticking out quite a bit...

I agree the pushers seem to be generic replacements.

 

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flqt-9000

·Sep 9, 2023

Davidt

I agree the pushers seem to be generic replacements.

They are!

 

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Sa Calobra

·Sep 9, 2023

Caselock

Thank you for the warm welcome!

And thank you for the infos:
I was not aware of the redial since it shows signs of aging: it hat some spots and a slight scratches, so I figure it was redialed some time ago and had services since. Too bad that these white/light dials decay so fast or show stains etc. very early in their life...
I thought these pushers should be wider and shorter, they are sticking out quite a bit...

Actually many redials have even happened early in the life of the watch. You'll come across many threads at the forum where people say a watch has never been touched, while obviously it has been, but probably too long ago to remember

 

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skand

·Sep 10, 2023

In this reference 105.004-64 there were also dials without a tachymeter. Were they rarer? How does this relate to value?

 

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Davidt

·Sep 10, 2023

skand

In this reference 105.004-64 there were also dials without a tachymeter. Were they rarer? How does this relate to value?

Id say the market values dials with a tachy slightly more, but the difference is negligible as condition plays a much, much larger part

 

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eugeneandresson

·Sep 10, 2023

Also, increased-rarity != increased-value in all instances … that is very much herd-dependent…

 

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skand

·Sep 10, 2023

Thanks for the answer. I have one more question, which one is worth more: 105.001-62 or 105.004-64 without a tachymeter? Both in similar condition

 

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duffy7

·Sep 10, 2023

For me it is the 105.001 which has a higher value. I prefer the alpha hands and the tachymeter but this is only my opinion.

 

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Davidt

·Sep 10, 2023

skand

Thanks for the answer. I have one more question, which one is worth more: 105.001-62 or 105.004-64 without a tachymeter? Both in similar condition

Id say there’s no significant difference. They’re both about the same

 

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skand

·Sep 10, 2023

Davidt

Id say there’s no significant difference. They’re both about the same

I share your opinion. The 105.001 has alpha hands, but the 105.004 does not have a tachymeter. In my opinion, the 35mm dial looks much nicer on the hand without the tachymeter. The movement is the same, so there is no difference

 

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Sa Calobra

·Sep 10, 2023

Am I right in saying that it's quite hard to price these, as there are simply not so many being sold, and that condition is the key determinant? Other than indeed, 'the older ones with alpha hands command some premium'

 

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Caselock

·Sep 10, 2023

@skand: nica samples there, congrats! I see I have to learn and be patient....