I have claimed this Universal Geneve for very close to the opening bid: http://www.ebay.com/itm/IMMACULATE-...qzQLdDBWx4cW9hxy8rge8%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=ncPurchases made through these links may earn this site a commission from the eBay Partner Network



What are your opinions on it? I'm not sure - but it looks to have been well polished. I originally thought the crown was replaced - but I'm not sure after seeing this other example, which seems to have an identical crown: http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/10156486

What are your thoughts on the watch?

 

This is the same seller, David, that offered a S.58 chronograph a few months back. I think he deals in frankens, put togethers and other things to be avoided. I'm hardly a Universal maven, but the case seems more fake than polished, shouldn't it have chamfered/bevel edges?
Wait for LouS to chime in....

 

Agree with the above comment case looks odd as it is symmetrical which is unlike the usual pole sub with asymmetric case. Picture from polerouter.de attached

 

ELVweb, I wasn't referring to the asymmetric case, another version of the watch, but rather its departure from the symmetric examples.
Ill see if I can find a photo....

 

LarryG, thank you for your insight.

The case seems correct to me - but maybe it's just a hope's feeling. Let me know if you can draw the comparison/find a photo illustration and we'll see what others have to say.

P.S.: I also notice he deals often in frankens, etc., which is concerning.

 

I still have massive amount to learn, thanks for the education

 

Lous,

I have a NOS crowns with and without spring. the spring assembly screws into crown so you should be able to use an old spring with a new crown (see image). The Polerouter Sub should be fitted with a screw down crown therefore what we see is a replacement crown and a cheap one at that !

 

I received the watch and have an inspection period. What do you guys think? I have carefully looked at the case and it seems to be an actual polerouter sub piece. I don't see how somebody could polish a classical polerouter case to look as this one does.

One thing I am concerned about, however, is the appearance of serial numbers on the back of the screwback case. Did polerouter subs have serial numbers on the back of their cases?

And to address Lous's concern about the strap, here is another one with an identical strap: https://www.google.com/search?q=polerouter sub&espv=2&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=MdqgU9rIBYn9oAT7p4L4Ag&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ&biw=1024&bih=481&dpr=2.5#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=cGYbIeU70VdeKM%3A;pFedYaUtpsA72M;http%3A%2F%2Fi41.tinypic.com%2Fo8v1h4.jpg;http%3A%2F%2Forologi.forumfree.it%2F%3Ft%3D60118505%26st%3D15;800;600

Does anybody have any general thoughts on the watch now? The screw-down crown does function correctly.







Serial number?

 

The reference number is: 869109/01. Does that correspond correctly to this case design?

 

David,

looks like it is all correct. case is symmetrical (one of the first polerouter subs with a single crown) produced around 1961-1962. Information was checked out and confirmed by bubawatch (forum member and olive oil producer). He is the oracle ...

Thanks bubawatch ...

 

Thanks Diabolik and bubawatch. I appreciate the investigation efforts.

Are you telling me that he believes the crown is correct?

 

No, that the only thing that is not correct ! the crown should be like the one shown here :

http://omegaforums.net/threads/polerouter-sub-a-typology.3624/

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In my opinion, the crown is a polerouter crown, but not for sub modelS. You should have a dome top 6.7 mm spring loaded push in and screw down crown. However, the way it is does not look out of place.

grat original sub bracelet is a definite plus. Not many of those around!

 

I got the 42 m,m, version of the Polerouter sub, so I'm not an expert on this one by any means ! The watch seems legit, minus the crown ?
I think some franken dealers come across legit vintage watches from time to time. Difficult to bid, given that a lot of their items are frankens !

 

Hi, is it still available?