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  1. gemini4 Hoarder Of Speed et alia Jan 27, 2015

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    image.jpg This is the first purchase that I've dare expose to the Omega world so please be kind.

    Here is what I believe I know. I've purchased this early 105.003-63, movement #20526xxx. I know the bezel is a replacement and I believe the chrono second hand is probably not correct either.....more appropriate for a 2998-5, which this is not. My main concerns are the hour and minute hands. I've read, on this site, where early 105.003s were made with Alpha hands. These appear to correctly match the 105.002, B4, Alpha hands. Dial is the close T variety although SWISS MADE only dials were found on early 105.003-63s.

    Question of course is what to do. Changing the bezel to a D over 90 is a given. What about the chrono seconds hand and especially, the hour and minute hand.

    Sorry about the picture quality. Thanks in advance for any advice.
     
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  2. TNTwatch Jan 27, 2015

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    Actually it's the early 105.002s, not 105.003s, that were equipped with the Alpha hands. Your hand set is of proper vintage for a 2998 so there won't be problem unloading them for more than what you'd need to spend on the correct hands for your watch.
     
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  3. gemini4 Hoarder Of Speed et alia Jan 27, 2015

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    Understood and thanks
     
  4. TNTwatch Jan 27, 2015

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    You're welcome. I think your watch is nice enough and enjoyable as it is until the right parts come along, so enjoy it.
     
  5. gemini4 Hoarder Of Speed et alia Jan 27, 2015

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    Good advice.
     
  6. Barking mad Prolific Speedmaster Hoarder Jan 27, 2015

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    There is evidence on the Omega database and real life that some early 105.003.63's had Alpha hands fitted from factory. This is mine with originals fitted. It is 205xxxxx

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  7. gemini4 Hoarder Of Speed et alia Jan 27, 2015

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    Thanks for this very interesting information. How does one access the Omega database?
     
  8. TNTwatch Jan 27, 2015

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    Can you show us the evidence on the Omega database?
     
  9. Barking mad Prolific Speedmaster Hoarder Jan 27, 2015

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    Here you go:

    http://www.omegawatches.com/planet-omega/heritage/vintage-watches-database?ref=14280

    Reference
    ST 105.0003
    International collection
    1963 - 1969
    Movement
    Type: Manual winding (mechanical)
    Caliber number: 321
    Created in 1946
    17 jewels
    Formerly called "27 CHRO C12 T2"
    Used on first generation "moon watches"
    "moon watches".
    Functions
    Tachymeter, Chronograph
    Case
    Stainless steel
    Case back
    Screw-in
    Dial
    Mat black with luminous hour markers and white luminous “stick ” or "alpha" hands, with applied Omega logo at 12 o'clock.
    Crystal
    Armoured hesalite
    Bracelet
    Stainless steel (attached)
    Water resistance
    30 meters
     
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  10. TNTwatch Jan 27, 2015

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    The OVDB says this about ref 105.002: "Dial - Mat black with luminous hour markers and luminous "Alpha" hands." Can this be evidence that stick hands are wrong for the 105.002?
     
  11. Barking mad Prolific Speedmaster Hoarder Jan 27, 2015

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    Could have sworn at the top of the text it says "ST 105.003" which is what is stated on the OVDB as the text I attached is a copy and paste and comes from a search for 105*003. Sorry mis read your response and have added below.
     
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  12. Barking mad Prolific Speedmaster Hoarder Jan 27, 2015

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    Stick hands are actually correct for the last of the 105.002-62's but the dial is ever so slightly different from the ones with Alpha hands.
     
  13. TNTwatch Jan 28, 2015

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    If OVDB is wrong about 105.002, it most likely won't be right about the 105.003.
     
  14. gemini4 Hoarder Of Speed et alia Feb 6, 2015

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    UK 1963 brochure for "ST 105.002/3". More proof of Alpha Hands on the first 105.003-63. Basically indicates that the first 105.003-63 was a 105.002.

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  15. Spacefruit Prolific Speedmaster Hoarder Feb 6, 2015

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    Can't rely on contemporary brochures as source evidence for reference equipment.

    The brochures often used old images of previous references for the then current ones.

    Also many images were illustrations not photos.
     
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  16. gemini4 Hoarder Of Speed et alia Feb 6, 2015

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    I don't understand your statement. I think that Omega printed these brochures with a picture/rendering of the 105.003-63 that they intended to produce and had the parts in stock to produce. They took the existing 105.002-62 and gave it a new caseback, the 105.003-63.

    If Omega puts out a sales brochure showing 105.003's with Alpha Hands, and some of the earliest versions of these watches have Alpha Hands (I'm aware of 3) and the Omega Database mentions Alpha Hands then it all dovetails rather nicely to me.
     
  17. dsio Ash @ ΩF Staff Member Feb 6, 2015

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    105.002 and 105.003 are not just a caseback apart, its a different watch entirely, the 105.002 is a re-casebacked 2998 with some changes in the final examples produced, 105.003 is its own animal. As Spacefruit said, sales material is notoriously unreliable, OVDB is also unreliable I'd go by Moonwatch Only not by either of those.
     
  18. gemini4 Hoarder Of Speed et alia Feb 6, 2015

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    One more piece of interesting information. What is your theory as to why my 105.003-63 pushers are the type 1 small variety found on the 2998 and 105.002. According to Moonwatch Only they shouldn't be small but type 2 medium pushers. See the pics

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  19. TNTwatch Feb 6, 2015

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    Same theory as the bezel.
     
  20. 250scr Feb 6, 2015

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    Looks you don't have the correct ones then