I think these watches deserve their own thread. I've been researching these models. Does anybody have convincing evidence that confirms or refutes the idea that broad arrow hands ever came with their microrotor movements? I have collected images of presumed lumed microrotor movements (the last might have replaced hands). What is your opinion? If you have pictures of broad arrow Polerouters that you'd like to share, please do so. I'd like there to be a reference thread for future use.
I just realized I have pictures of that second watch, including the movement and back. It's gold capped and has a Cal. 215 inside.
Right - I see that, but the lume on that dial seems appropriate in color and application and I'm focusing on the dials (and hands of the first two). Perhaps it was a replacement.
Yeah. I think the only way to refute would be to either cite the years in which broad arrow were used or challenge that the lume on microrotor examples are aftermarket somehow.
I've seen very few examples of these broad arrow hands, but they seem to be consistent and well done. Additionally, they all have had microrotor movements. What makes you think that these are not original? Another interesting point is the question of when these hands were used. Were there any other models that made use of these hands, or are these only found on Polerouters? Has anyone seen one of these with a bumper automatic?
According to some (and I would be among them), Polerouters are the only known UG's with broad arrow hands and they were only done early on (or so it has been said). The microrotor polerouter replaced the bumper movement and some believe broad arrow hands were no longer used when that switch happened. There several good examples of broad arrow hands on bumper movements. The true quest is to find convincing evidence that broad arrow hands were truly used on microrotor versions or whether these are fabrications. To Carsnop: X350 XJR's polerouter posted above is a bumper version.
Two points: Contrary to CarSnob's assertion, I believe that most Broad Arrow examples were early, and had bumper movements. With regards to the two shown above, I suspect that the first is a Franken, as the dial was obviously re-lumed as well. However, I'm inclined to believe that the second may be original. There was overlap between bumper and micro rotor use (if not production) in the late '50s, and that those type of dials were used on both models. So it does not seem to me to be a stretch to imagine that at least some Broad Arrows were fitted on those with MR movements. In my view it would have been very odd for UG to think that somehow a certain hand-set should be restricted to an older, unrelated technology that was being phased out.
It's not obviously apparent that this is a relumed or fake lumed to me. Is it the shade? Is it not dark enough? Please elaborate.
I believe the OPs polerouter with broad arrow hands and micro rotor movement to be authentic (and likely the lume is original too). I don't understand what @TonyC is referring to.
I was referring to this one from a different (though related) thread, also posted by Modest Proposal (link below). Sorry for the confusion. http://omegaforums.net/threads/universal-geneve-watches-on-ebay.3584/page-43#post-243317
Good Morning. They are interesting these poleroter with broad arrow. The material is trizio is on the bezel that on the spheres. It works in reverse, the indexes do not light. It 'a watch very attractive. I have an exemplary movement with bumper and guarantee dated February 17, 1961. The reference and '21217/8 Ciao A. Sorry for the automatic translation!!
Have seen this Polerouter live in Parma Fair two weeks ago, woow very nice with a fantastic and rare bracelet ! Pity, is small for my big wrist GIGI