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  1. LouS Mrs Nataf's Other Son Staff Member Feb 2, 2013

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    The Polerouter sub is a coveted variant of the Polerouter. This is an attempt to set up a recognized nomenclature for the models so that we know what we are talking about when we discuss them.

    In my opinion, there are 3 Generations

    1st Generations

    the classic in a 42mm SuperCompressor case, this comes in two variants, which I will call 1st execution (at right, with curved lugs, fine lettering on the minutes bezel and small dot lume), and 2ns execution (at left, with straight lugs, thick lettering on the minutes bezel and full dot lume).

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    2nd Generation

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    3rd Generation
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    there appears to be a lot of intermixing of hands among 2nd & 3rd generation watches, and some variability in bezels.

    All are invited to refine, refute, elaborate...
     
  2. MMMD unaffiliated curmudgeonly absurdist & polyologist Feb 2, 2013

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    Thanks for this summary of an excellent piece of connoisseurship. The 1st generation, 2nd execution still has me scratching my head.
     
  3. styggpyggeno1 ΩF Enforcer ....and thread killer Feb 2, 2013

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    I agree on the overall nomenclature - 1, 2 and 3 generation, and also about the first and second execution of the first generation. Thank you LouS for sorting things out - it will make future conversations easier.

    I hope to stir things up a little in the near future by the publishing of a Polerouter Sub dial that does not fall into any of the above generations or executions. The form under which this dial came to me makes it most likely an original and very probably a prototype. I do not think that there will be any need for a third execution because of this dial - as I have not seen another one. I will let you be in suspense for a while (need to take some clear photos).

    When it comes to UG divewatches - apart from the polerouter, I would like to put forward the Unisonic Sub. Not a polerouter - but nevertheless it is a UG Sub. A colourful addition to any collection and there is a resemblance to the Zenith 1000m that I think would make it extra interesting to us who are into both brands (vintage).
    Regards
    JE
     
  4. dsio Ash @ ΩF Staff Member Feb 2, 2013

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    When did they first come out?
     
  5. LouS Mrs Nataf's Other Son Staff Member Feb 2, 2013

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    1961

    Of note, one occasionally finds first generation ones with US military markings on the back. These have pretty conclusively been debunked as fake.
     
  6. Noodia Feb 3, 2013

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    These are to me some of the most mysterious UG when it comes to understand their chronology, generations, executions, ... and despite I spent hours to try to understand them well, I have to confess I'm still confused

    Maybe this thread will help ?

    We're all aligned with the Super Compressor case ones as being the 1st Generation,

    I always thought this one was the 2nd generation, I call it number 1 for the this thread

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    and this one a 2nd execution within the 2nd generation, I call it number 2

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    I thougt this one was an alternate case version in the 2nd generation, I call it number 3

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    Having a closer look on the movements can offer some clues, before posting this, I took time to check on Ranfft website (http://www.ranfft.de) to discover some nice specs sheet

    found in the number 1 is Caliber 69

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    here's the Ranfft specs sheet, showing a caliber produced from 1962 to 65

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    in the number 2, Caliber 1-69

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    Ranfft specs sheet showing production years from 1965 to 70

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    in the number 3, Caliber 218 (although I don't know well these symmetrical cases Polerouter Subs and can't confirm this movement type is fully correct for that generation of Subs)

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    the 218 Cal. specs sheet showing production years from 1960 to 1962

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    Based on this we could say Number 3 could be a contemporary alternate version of the Super Compressor case,

    Number 1 a second generation and number 2 a third ?

    This hypothesis could work if anybody knows if the number 3 received others movements or not and the fact UG made "clean" production lines (the right movement in the right generation).

    Cheers,

    Laurent
     
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  7. LouS Mrs Nataf's Other Son Staff Member Feb 3, 2013

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    Thanks for the thoughtful reply. So if I understand correctly you would divide the P-Subs into only 2 generations with 2 variations of the latter. The second generation is therefore distinguished principally by the asymmetric case?

    Dating by movement is a good idea. I did look into this when I was working out the two alternate variants of the 1st generation (leaving out your proposed third variant for the time being). I was able to assess movements in 11 of 19 examples if the straight lug, large lume plot version as follows: 4 x cal 215, 4 x cal. 215-2, 1xcal. 215-9, 2x cal. 1-69 and 1 x cal 69.

    With that kind of variation, I think we'd need a larger sample before definitive conclusions.
     
  8. Djayrom Feb 3, 2013

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    Hi everybody,
    I'm realy happy to see this new forum about UG
    My first post is for illustrate the complete post of my friend Noodia, you can find pictures of, thank to him, my POLEROUTER SUB :
    Full set with original box DSCN0507final.JPG
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    Beautifuf black Dial
    IMG_6011.JPG DSCN0488.JPG

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  9. Noodia Feb 3, 2013

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    it would also suppose UG productions were consistent at the time which I doubt

    Thank you Jerome for such a nice bunch of pictures !
     
  10. dsio Ash @ ΩF Staff Member Feb 3, 2013

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    I like the fact that these are 42mm too, what kind of price range are the various generations in at present?

    BTW for new UG guys, we're fine with discussing prices, we're also fine with linking to relevant Christies, Sothebys, Chrono24, or eBay listings of watches for sale or past sold watches.
     
  11. LouS Mrs Nataf's Other Son Staff Member Feb 3, 2013

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    Well, I think unimpeachable 1st Generation (Super Compressor internal bezel case) go for about $3000, the later models for about half that or perhaps a little more. The prices fluctuate a bit, as there are not many that come up for sale.
     
  12. dsio Ash @ ΩF Staff Member Feb 3, 2013

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    The first gen is the one that appeals to me the most...

    Already know if I posted pictures of one in some places there'd be a deluge of Submariner fanboys yelling "ITS A COPY, THEY COPIED US" but its very different in its own right.
     
  13. LouS Mrs Nataf's Other Son Staff Member Feb 3, 2013

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    :p I know you're right! but really it has more in common with the Longines L290 and a spate of other large internal bezel models. Rolexes have always made an impression (on me anyway) with the case. This one is all dial - the case recedes.
     
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  14. Noodia Feb 4, 2013

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    Situation looks different from Europe,
    never seen a 1st execution below $3500 maybe more likely in the 4K region, sometimes more, I'm no expert in these, I couldn't tell exactly with regards to variations,
    asymmetrical cases are in the same region
     
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  15. dsio Ash @ ΩF Staff Member Mar 3, 2013

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  16. MMMD unaffiliated curmudgeonly absurdist & polyologist Mar 3, 2013

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  17. dsio Ash @ ΩF Staff Member Mar 3, 2013

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    You're saying its attractive and overly well endowed?
     
  18. cicindela Steve @ ΩF Staff Member Mar 3, 2013

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    I think he is saying it looks like its been relumed with red clay. ;)
     
  19. MMMD unaffiliated curmudgeonly absurdist & polyologist Mar 3, 2013

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    *sigh* I specifically wrote don't take this the wrong way. :rolleyes:
     
  20. LouS Mrs Nataf's Other Son Staff Member Mar 3, 2013

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